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Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal Posted By The Staff of Catalyst On Friday, November 20, 2009
In Government and Policy

CPS officials took their proposed magnet and selective school admissions policy on the road this week and encountered some suggestions, a host of questions and a fair amount of confusion and frustration.

Parents at public hearings held around the city said they are confused about the details of the policy but also angry in general about the limited number of seats available in good schools.

At King High School, a handful of people, including activist Wanda Hopkins from the grassroots Parents United for Responsible Education, walked away from the microphone after some variation of the pronouncement: “You will be in court.”

Black parents in particular seemed worried that their children would have a tougher time getting into the district’s elite schools, and that the proposed policy will award more seats to white students and those with high test scores—including students who have attended private elementary schools. The district’s top selective high schools have become less diverse in recent years, as have top-performing magnet elementary schools.

District officials consulted with policy expert Richard Kahlenberg of The Century Foundation to come up with the proposed policy, which was announced Nov. 10. A federal judge vacated the desegregation consent decree, which governed magnet and selective school admissions, in late September.

Four of six scheduled public hearings took place over the past week. Between 80 to 120 people attended the hearings at Amundsen, a neighborhood high school with specialty programs on the North Side; King, a selective high school on the South Side; Jackson Language Academy, an elementary magnet on the Near West Side; and Little Village/North Lawndale, a neighborhood high school on the Southwest Side.

Rather than race, the new policy would take a student’s family and neighborhood socio-economic status into consideration for admissions. Census tract data will be used to divide students into four socioeconomic categories; each category will get about 10 percent to 12 percent of open seats. District officials are promising by next week an interactive map on the CPS website that families can use to figure out what category they fall into.

The rest of the seats will be allocated to specific groups of students. In magnet schools, siblings are guaranteed spots; after that, half of the remaining seats are reserved for local kids. In selective enrollment schools, half of the seats will be awarded to the highest-scoring students, regardless of race or socio-economic status.

Parents skeptical

A key concern expressed by parents was whether the district would take their concerns into account and make any revisions to the policy. Comments such as “Are you just giving us a forum to rant?” and “We hope this isn’t a way to just blow off steam,” were heard.

King High Principal Jeff Wright said selective enrollment principals were not even asked for ideas or feedback until recently. He, too, wondered whether district officials are open to changing the plan.

CPS official Kathryn Ellis admitted that the basic framework of the policy would likely be presented to the board without any changes. Some elements, such as how much preference to give to siblings and neighborhood children, could be changed.

Amy Boonstra, a parent of two who attended the meeting at Jackson, favors preference for siblings. “Logistically, for families to function positively it’s important,” she said.

But others pointed out that most of the high-performing magnet schools are in upper-middle-class neighborhoods such as Lincoln Park and the West Loop. These neighborhood students would essentially have three shots at admission: As a sibling, as someone who lives nearby and through one of the four categories.

Susan Rosenberg, a parent who attended the King hearing, recommended an approach tailored for individual schools: Well-to-do students would not get any seats (other than those for siblings and neighborhood children) at magnet schools in wealthy neighborhoods, while poor students would not get seats(other than those for siblings and neighborhood children) at magnets in low-income areas.

Ellis, however, said that the district did not want to develop different criteria for individual schools.

Parents at the Amundsen hearing—most of them white—seemed to acknowledge that the policy would give their sons and daughters a better shot at admission.

Harry Jozefowicz, a father of three, says he thinks that putting aside some spaces for students from higher-poverty neighborhoods is a thinly-veiled way to make sure some black and Latino students are admitted. “We can make amends [for past discrimination], but we can’t punish high-performing [white] students,” he said.

At King, where most of the audience was black, several parents noted that white and Asian students, as well as students who have attended expensive private schools, out-perform African-American students in general. Allocating more selective enrollment seats based solely on test scores would then favor white, Asian and private-school students.

Al Kindle, a member of the King local school council, noted that many black students attend poorly-resourced neighborhood schools that don’t offer a rigorous education.

“A lot of African American students miss the boat,” getting into selective enrollment high schools, he said.

A re-occurring theme was the difficulty of navigating the system and finding a decent school. Several parents confronted district officials with their stories of sons and daughters who got good grades and good test scores, but did not score high enough to win spots in the highly-competitive selective schools. Some underscored the importance of getting their children into a specialty school, pointing out their neighborhood high school is dangerous.

Natalie Bradford says her daughter is bright, but is not performing as well as she could because she’s at a school that is not providing a challenge. “I need her to be somewhere where she is pushed,” Bradford said. 

John Walker, a single father, said he lives down the block from King, but his daughter couldn’t get into that school or any other selective high school. She wound up at a charter school and is doing well, but Walker says the process of finding and applying for schools, only to be turned away, left him and his daughter distraught.

“I do not want any other child to have to go through what she had to go through,” he said.

District officials say they will review the effects of the policy next year and make revisions if it is not producing economic and racial diversity.

The remaining two community meetings to be held Friday and Saturday are at predominantly black schools, Westinghouse High School on the West Side and Simeon High School on the South Side.




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Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 6:45 PMBy: a crazy idea Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal How about the City of Chicago starts to systematically shut down schools then reopen the schools as Magnet schools? We can just turn every single high school into a Magnet school. Will that fix the problem?
Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 8:53 AMBy: untrustworthy Academic Enhancement Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal Does Ron know that is an SE elementary student fails a benchmark grade that they are NOT allowed to come back to the SE school? How unfair is that that the student who ‘won’ the lottery, gets kicked out? I bet there is a lot Academic Enhancement does not tell him.
Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 8:54 AMBy: not so great charters Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal Sorry Mr. Bhayani--I will not take my child to an uncertified doctor. I do not want my child sitting in a class for hours with an unlicensed teacher.
AND why were there 2 police cars and 1 police wagon at the Basil Campus at 11:30 on Friday?
Sun Nov 22, 2009 at 10:39 AMBy: licensed teacher Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal You know what they call a person who graduates last in a Medical school program? A doctor.

Quality, expertise, and ability are determined by the individual, not by the licenses or degrees he/she holds. Doctors study an extra 4 years, plus clinical experiences. Teachers spend, what, 2 years in an education program? The difference is staggering.

There are probably hundreds of people who have the common sense, quiet sense of leadership, communication skills, and content knowledge to be a great teacher. You don't have to have a history degree to teach a 5th grader about the American Revolution.

IMO, the problem with teacher certification is that the process involves a lot of unnecessary hoops without a lot of rigor. It should really be the other way around: a rigorous but simple certification process. I know at least a dozen people who'd like to become a teacher but simply do not have the luxury to go back to school to earn 24-31 hours worth of classes. Why not just drop the hours requirement and base it on the Content Tests?
Sun Nov 22, 2009 at 2:02 PMBy: Danny Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal On teacher preparation

There are stories of rare individuals with incredible talents and empathy who--despite no medical education at all--are able to perform medical services quite well. For the vast majority of our species' history, we have survived without medical school-trained physicians.

Likewise, with education. I believe there are some very talented people who can become superior teachers without the benefit of any education school training.

But for most people, specialized training is necessary to provide society with good physicians and good teachers.

I do agree, however, with those who think there is too much pedagogy and too little rigorous content in the current Ed School programs.

For high school (and probably middle school, too), I do wish the education preparation model were more like the medical model. Young people should earn a baccalaureate degree with concentrations in the academic discipline(s) they might someday teach.

The requirements for teacher certification should be part of a Master's degree program, starting with pre-service courses in the summer. Eliminate the student teaching semester and replace it with a full-year teaching internship that is paid at perhaps 60% or 66-2/3% of a beginning year teacher's salary. The remaining coursework can follow during summer or part-time evening sessions.

Thus a teacher would need 4 years baccalaureate + 1 year graduate coursework + 1 year internship = 6 years of preparation for full licensure. (Medical doctors need 4 years baccalaureate + 4 years medical school + 3 years internship/residency = 11 years for full certification. Of course, they earn more money on average, too.)
Sun Nov 22, 2009 at 2:06 PMBy: a parents and teacher comment Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal Kids are kids, and SE kids and schools are by no means enchanted or perfect. HOWEVER, speaking as the parent of a magnet ES and SE HS graduate, and as a neighborhood school teacher, I can say that many of the differences are stark indeed.

Kids are kids, but my child's school always had a full-time librarian, art and music. Two of the schools I have taught in have had no music teacher at all. One lacked a full-time librarian. My child never had to deal a school that did not have enough textbooks. In fact, during high school, there was a classroom set, plus a book issued to each child to be kept at home, for most classes. As a teacher, I have not once been able to send books home with children to be read outside of school. Every single bit of reading that I have assigned has had to be done in class. There was also adequate technology in the building to allow teachers to truly be creative in terms of integrating technology into their lessons.

My child never felt unsafe traveling to and from school or walking the halls in school. She was also able to eat healthy food that she enjoyed in school because I (and later, of course, she) packed her lunches. In schools where I teach, students are not even permitted to bring a lunch, and there are no facilities for storing food brought from home.

At my child's school, nobody got on the loudspeaker at the end of each day to yell at the kids to get off the school grounds and go home. Students routinely stayed late to interact with teachers and classmates, and to participate in activities. Before-school tutoring was available as well.

The school buildings were clean, cheerful and welcoming.

High school students actually had a choice as to which foreign language they wished to study, and had the option to study that language for longer than the bare minimum requirement of two years. There was more than one social studies elective to choose from, so that the title of "elective" was actually an accurate one for the course offerings. There was enough money for a whole class, rather than just a select few students to participate in field trips, so that the educational value of such trips could truly be integrated into the curriculum.
Sun Nov 22, 2009 at 8:13 PMBy: to Danny Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal Danny, I agree with most of what you're saying except:
"For high school (and probably middle school, too), I do wish the education preparation model were more like the medical model. Young people should earn a baccalaureate degree with concentrations in the academic discipline(s) they might someday teach."

I can't see why the content test isn't or COULDN'T be) a suitable measure of the knowledge needed for 6-12 education. A knowledge of literature and writing/grammar is necessary to teach English, but a well read, literate person could teach a standard 9th grade curriculum. A self taught historian could teach an American history class. Anyone who has taken Calculus is capable of teaching Algebra.

As I'm thinking about it, I'd actually reverse your proposed idea of an internship to make it be for elementary school. Elementary school is so critical that students should be assured the very best skilled teachers. It'd be incredibly helpful to have an internship done as a classroom aid. Students could be assured 2 teachers to provide more direct instruction and one-on-one help.
Mon Nov 23, 2009 at 1:50 PMBy: Valerie F. Leonard Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal We are on a slippery slope to "Separate But Equal". I watched part of Ron Huberman's presentation on public access television, and there are a number of aspects to this plan that are troubling. This plan effectively converts magnet schools to neighborhood schools, as 40% of the slots are set aside for the neighborhood students, 20% set aside for siblings, and the remaining 40% divided equally among median income silos, including $15 K, $30K, 45K (I think) and $61K. This will effectively give neighborhood children a plurality of the representation of as high as 48%, assuming that they may also participate in the 20% sibling. Magnet schools were never intended to be predominantly neighborhood schools. When the area surrounding Whitney Young was predominantly low income African American with the ABLA Homes and Henry Horner communities, I can assure you, there was no such thing as a 40% set aside for the community. While CPS didn't share any results of a simulation of the complex logarithm that's supposed to simplify the process, I can see African American students' population dwindling to as low as 10% over time, if we're not careful. (It should be noted that African American and Latino children make up 85% of CPS' student population. White children, who comprise 9% of the CPS student population, and most likely attend schools with proper resources, will be the dominant population represented in the magnet schools. In a year or so, after the harm has been done to African American students, I can definitely see a court battle.
Mon Nov 23, 2009 at 2:26 PMBy: Valerie F. Leonard Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal I was struck during the press conference when Mr. Huberman admitted that the system was complicated, and he said something to the effect of "just stay with me", as he explained further, allowing that some of the reporters still wouldn'g "get it." No system should be so complicated that the only people who understand the complex algorithm are the CPS CEO and the programmer who will be entering the data. (While I hope this is an exaggeration, I don't believe I'm too far off). When you have systems that so few people understand--yet have major implications for public policy--you have a recipe for disaster. The more complex a process, the less transparency, and the fewer checks and balances. You also further compound an environment of distrust, even though everything is being done above board, with consultants and educators overseeing the process. The system should be simple enough for the lay person, parent, board member or CPS staff to monitor or review for further understanding. That's governance and management best practice 101.

CPS has taken away the discretion of magnet school principals to select students until more stringent systems are put in place. All schools and principals, regardless of the type of school, should be subject to the same rules and privileges. I recommend that all principals be stripped of this discretion, until a uniform system may be worked out for all principals to follow. As an aside, one of the biggest problems CPS faces is having different rules for different "classes" of schools. As a result, some schools are not held accountable to the same standards as others.

The admissions process for all magnet schools and selective enrollment schools will be handled from the central office. I think this is a mistake. CPS should have confidence in its principals (as they do with charter schools) to allow them to manage an admissions process at the local school level. There should be systems in place for Central office to monitor the process and reconcile data without micomanaging schools.
Mon Nov 23, 2009 at 2:36 PMBy: Valerie F. Leonard Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal If CPS wants to take into account factors other than race to yield diversity within magnet schools, I submit to you that a cleaner way to do this would be by making sure there's representation from the 77 community areas, as opposed to 300+ census tracks clustered together based on certain factors. A lottery should be held within each of the community areas to yield candidates for magnet schools.

In the ideal world, if each school in the City of Chicago provided access to a quality education, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Unfortunately, because many schools in low-moderate income African American neighborhoods lack the resources to provide students with a quality education, students from these schools will always be at a disadvantage competing for slots in selective enrollment high schools.
Tue Nov 24, 2009 at 4:41 PMBy: Rosie Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal Some families last year just threw their hands up in the air and said, "If you want your kids to go to a good school, you just have to face the fact that it won't be diverse."

I was hopeful, when I put my kids at a school with great test scores and a diverse composition, that I could have my cake and eat it too. But, I was wrong. Our neighborhood magnet WAS diverse. Each new group of incoming kids gets more and more vanilla. Why? Because it is mandatory to take all neighborhood kids and what used to be a mostly Latino neighborhood is now gentrifying into wealthy and white.

For every neighborhood kid that comes in, there is one less magnet spot open to a student of race other than Caucasian. The solution? Magnet spots need to be reserved and inviolable. A school only has enough space for so many bodies. Once the rooms are full, then neighborhood admissions need to be limited. What is the priority?

If we look at the overall good of the city and the people, kids need the chance to go to school where they can flourish, not just where they can afford to live. How else are we going to break the patterns that keep people in poverty? And it's everyone's tax dollars that are going to pay for it in the long run.
Tue Nov 24, 2009 at 6:25 PMBy: Valerie F. Leonard Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal Amen, Rosie!
Tue Nov 24, 2009 at 7:31 PMBy: census tract? Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal The Office of Academic Enhancement website states that the tracts will be provided this week. I didn't see them. Has anyone else?
Tue Nov 24, 2009 at 9:13 PMBy: J Dorsey Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal I find it to b very sad that our schools are going down this road. This is simply the way to get more caucasian students back into the public school system. Jobs were lost, home values down and it is not as easy to pay for that private education that became the staple for so many wealthy whites. Now that money is tight, public school has to become an option for these families. So, remove the black and hispanic students, make them stay in their neighborhoods with the underperforming schools and give the slots in the good schools to the children who live in the neighborhood already. Isn't that what you are really saying Huberman? Don't sugar coat it with double talk. You have no intentions of revisiting anything next year after the so-called "minority" students (blacks and hispanics) have essentially been removed from the SE highschools, quality Classical, Magnet and Regional gifted centers. Shame on you and everyone that thinks this is right. Shame on you.
Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 12:22 AMBy: Valerie F. Leonard Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal Check out this link to CPS' plan to address "life after the Consent Decree". http://www.scribd.com/doc/22414754/Chicago-Public-Schools-Final-Desegregation-Plan

The plan outlines CPS' process, but does not include a simulation of the results on students currently attending magnet or selective enrollment schools. There is a map depicting the Census Tract groupings, color coded. The median income numbers are different from what I recalled in my post, which was done from memory, as opposed to any notes. Either my recollection was faulty, or the version Mr. Huberman used for the press conference was slightly different. Regardless, this document will allow you to see for yourself what I described. You may also create an account and download it.
Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 12:31 AMBy: Valerie F. Leonard Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal You may download court documents pertaining to the Consent Decree at http://www.cps.edu/Pages/MagnetSchoolsConsentDecree.aspx
Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 9:54 AMBy: Kate Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal I am working with a neighbor to get her kids into a Magnet. Looks very unlikely because we are in a Magnet-less area. I don't like this squabbling, scrambling for a decent school. We all want the same thing yet we parents are fighting each other to get it.
Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 12:20 PMBy: KS Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal What is going on here? I read comments and hear things from my family and community (I'm a racial minority who grew up in Chicago) and feel like people are too fixated with what numbers of minorities get whatever percentage of places in good magnet/selective schools, but ignore the bigger picture. The last time I checked whites made up 41.97% of Chicago's population. Yes, only 9% of CPS students are white and I feel that's because white people have known for a long time what middle class people of all races have always known: most CPS elementary schools have traditionally ranged from mediocre to plain horrible in terms of preparing kids for high school and beyond (no secret here), so people who could usually either moved to the suburbs or sent their kids to private schools (like the Obamas and most educated minority families I know that still live in the city). I'm thrilled that Chicago now has more public schools (both K-8 and high school) that are so good even middle-class and upper-middle-class people are looking to send their kids there ---and yes that includes WHITE people as well as minorities. What's wrong with that? When I grew up in Chicago in the 1970s, "white flight" was widely described as yet another injustice thrown on us urban minorities by the majority population, leaving us to live in a decaying urban relic, etc. Back then, there were a few decent public schools (e.g. Whitney Young), but even lots of working class parents (like mine) sent their kids to parochial schools in hopes of their children getting the kind of education CPS almost never provided (i.e. a good one). Socioeconomics explains why some neighborhood magnets do so well --people in prosperous neighborhoods (e.g. Lincoln Park, East Lakeview) tend to be educated and value learning, so their kids reflect this reality (and keep scores high at schools like LaSalle and Hawthorne). The last I heard, a diproportionate number of educated, wealthy Americans are white. Would people prefer that these people leave the city and move to the suburbs, so that more low-income and minority kids take their place? People respond to incentives: If a good public school education for their kids is an option, then they're more likely to stay in Chicago, which is alright with me. Keeping our public school population "ghetto" is not in the best interest of anybody, especially all the low-income kids from families that are striving for a good educational option but don't have the means to "buy" one (either by going to private school or moving to a suburb with good public schools). As far as I feel, lots of middle class white kids WANTING to go to CPS schools is an affirmation of how much things have improved in the last generation or so in terms of creating a city more attractive and adventageous to ALL segments of American society --which is a good thing for EVERYBODY in Chicago.
Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 4:20 PMBy: TR Parents skeptical about magnet and selective admissions proposal KS, I totally agree.

Also, does anyone know if there is a minimum point level that will be required or must a SE High School take 1/4 of the 50% from each group (1, 2, 3 and 4) even if there are only some low scoring students remaining in a particular group?

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