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Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
In the month that Tyese Sims has been principal of Orr High, she has
dropped 44 students from the rolls, she acknowledges. But one community
group is accusing her of turning away as many as 150. In the month that Tyese Sims has been principal of Orr High, she has dropped 44 students from the rolls, she acknowledges. But one community group is accusing her of turning away as many as 150.
At a community meeting on Saturday, tensions over discipline issues at Orr High School erupted into shouting and drew the involvement of 27th Ward Ald. Walter Burnett, Jr. In addition to dropping students, the activists and students complained, the new administration is too strict, for example, suspending students for swearing.
Representatives from the school and the community group Blocks Together were set to meet again Monday. However, Blocks Together organizers are also demanding a meeting with Don Feinstein, executive director of the nonprofit that is leading the turn-around effort at the school, Academy for Urban School Leaders (AUSL).
Located in Humboldt Park, Orr is in the second year of the effort—a process in which most staff is replaced.
Blocks Together said they were leaked a list of 150 students whom security guards were supposedly told not to let through the door. Blocks Together youth organizer Ana Mercado said she thinks administrators are trimming the rolls to increase the school’s attendance figures.
But Sims said she dropped only 44 students who hadn’t been to school in a long time.
“I need to know exactly what number of students are in my building, not the number that are on the books,” Sims told the crowd on Saturday. “If the student comes back with the parent, if they meet with Dr. Bradley [the school's director of student support services], they are re-enrolled. They’re not going to be able to go to work and miss 66 days and then expect the job to take them back.”
Some of the students were younger than age 17, says Cecile Carroll, Blocks Together co-director, and were dropped without the proper documentation. Under CPS policy, schools are required to complete a “Lost Child Report” for every student who is removed from enrollment because their whereabouts cannot be determined.
Several Orr staff members said Sims’ tough approach was the right one.
Before the meeting, Orr security guard Rosie Smith, who’s been at the school for nearly four decades, said she loves the newfound sense of order.
“To me, a lot of the [students] are getting the point,” she said. “They know there’s consequences, whatever you do.”
She said that administrators provide homework to students who have been suspended – and that many students are given in-school suspensions as an alternative.
Larry Potts, a Youth Guidance staff member who works as Orr’s community resource coordinator, told the group that he has “never seen Orr any better than it is right now.”
“A lot of the things [the administrators] do, have to be done. Orr is on the way to becoming the best school on the West Side,” he said.
Another key point of contention at the meeting was the automatic suspensions for profanity.
“If they hear you cursing, you automatically get suspended,” said Orr student Edward Ward, 18. “It seems as if it’s a zero-tolerance policy. We’re not saying don’t discipline them, we’re saying, take the proper steps ... talk with them.”
Student Brittany Cannon, 18, added: “It’s so much easier to say, ‘You’re cursing – two days,’ than to ask, ‘What’s wrong, why are you cursing?’”
The students also charged that staff swear with impunity.
Sims responded that she would look into the problems on the staff. “I cannot tolerate, and I will not tolerate, disrespect in my building,” she said. “If they brought that issue to me, I would reprimand my staff.”
But she added that she had clearly laid out her expectations for students.
“I told them there’s no cursing; I even gave them examples of disrespectful body language,” she said. “Other administrators told me, ‘We don’t send our best students to Orr, it’s a dumping ground.’ Well, it’s a new day. It has sent a wakeup message to our students, that it’s not acceptable.”
Marvin Bradley, director of student support services at the school, said that swearing is one of only three infractions that results in an automatic suspension. The other two are drug use and fighting.
“The suspension is going to happen, but there is [also] a conversation,” he said.
Saturday’s event also highlighted the challenges Orr has faced with tracking down truant students and implementing restorative justice, two promises that Blocks Together organizers say AUSL made before the turnaround.
“We have so many letters coming back [as being sent to the] wrong address, [and] wrong phone numbers,” Bradley said. “We want them in school, but we can’t afford [to track them down]. We don’t have the funding.”
He said that at one point earlier this year, 60 percent of the students on the school’s rolls were chronically absent.
But Carroll said administrators promised to hire truant officers and take extra steps to track down missing students. “[Don Feinstein] committed to us that he’d exhaust all those resources for keeping a relationship with those parents,” she said, even when families’ phone numbers and addresses changed.
Implementing a peer jury program has been another challenge, said math teacher Cy Hendrickson. The program is currently up and running, but it doesn’t have the capacity to take all the cases that now come its way.
“Part of avoiding these suspensions is going to be restorative justice, and increasing the capacity of peer jury,” Hendrickson said. “[But] until this year, with the arrival of Dr. Bradley, we didn’t have an administrator at the school with an open mind.”
Repeated turnover among administrators at the school has also made it difficult to sustain the program, said another math teacher, Buck Johnson.
“There are two approaches for dealing with students that are struggling for dominance at this school,” Mercado said. She offered to help school staff access training in restorative justice strategies.
Meanwhile, Burnett struck a conciliatory tone. “We want to make suggestions, but we cannot tell the principal how to run the school,” he said. “We just lost the [previous] principal at Orr because they didn’t think he was doing well enough.”


Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
Fix this now or later. That is the questions. Children must act like children and not adults. We cannot continue with our children thinking it is okay to miss school. Act if there lives depend on it.
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
We know that student enrollment "mysteriously" drops at turnaround high schools. It's okay to admit you are dropping students or counseling them out. It's alright to tighten discipline if you don't have the resources (counselors, mentors, social workers, truant officers) to find students and deal with behavior problems on the spot. It's the right thing to do for students who want to learn. Again, what is not okay is when you don't admit that neighborhood high schools cannot get rid of the same problems in the same way. I wish this conversation could get more honest.
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
so why not at Orr?==glad the parents are speaking up.
Is Fraynd movning to AUSL?
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
Glad the parents are speaking up but for what? They are speaking up because they want their kids to still be counted as students although they haven't been coming and have missed 44 days? They are speaking up because it should be ok to curse at school? Unbelievable! OUR (meaning African-American) schools will never get better as long as we accept these types of behavior. If you want your children to be able to curse people out then maybe you should home school them. A school is an institution of learning and that is the only thing that should be accepted. Yes they are children and will make mistakes but if there are no consequences then they will never learn. Parents lets speak up for what is right and stop allowing our children to go unchecked. Go Mrs. Sims!
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
It's great to applaud the principal for expecting high standards for behavior, but what to do with the students who don't comply? Just shove them out the door and hope for the best? Most likely they'll never return to school and will end up being someone's problem somewhere down the road because they don't have the education and skills to operate in the mainstream economy.
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/district-299/2011/03/am-news-dispute-ove...
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
This is exactly what the community needs. Someone who cares and is willing to make the tough decisions. I hear students are liking the new principal Sims although she is tough! Hooray for the new day...it was long over due! Be encourage Principal Sims, I hope you are allowed to do what top notch schools do and expect. I bet she was able to get some parent involvement behind this one.
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
Do you think students can get away with this stuff in Highland Park??? This has been a long time coming. The high school and neighborhood is improving with people like Ms. Sims around. The parents complaining need to step up and take responsibility for why their kids act the way they do. What about the other 90 some percent of kids that are trying to learn the right way?? Why should they have to put up with loser kids coming and going at their free will. How about if the Community group Blocks Together take responsibilty for the kids. Getting involved is great, trying to dictate a schools efforts to be better isn't.
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
Old Orr is blamed becasue the school admin was NOT allowed to kick out this many students--yet new Orr can. Why did CPS not allow old orr to do this AND allowother HS tio do this yesterday? Now?!
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
I actually think these kinds of rules should apply in all high schools. Yes, some students will be lost. But right now we are losing 50% of all our high schoolers in the system. What if we kicked out the 10% of kids who ruin it for the rest? Maybe then we'd have a 75-80% graduation rate because the kids who want to be there could actually learn and be taught a decent work ethic.
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
Justice has to be restored! We have a community crisis where teachers are paid to be parents. When will the community, parents and all stakeholders say enough is enough? We can not continue to pacify this issue with our students. It should be unheard of that schools have to track down students to go to school. This is asinine! I pray and wish we can put as much effort in a "STAY IN SCHOOL" campaign then arguing why my kid is kicked out of school because he or she is swearing. In my house, I do not allow my kids to swear! If so, there's a price to be pay for ill behavior. On the other hand, good behavior is rewarded in my house. The new principal has a right to run her house to benefit the entire family / school.
THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE! OBEY and ABIBE THE RULES IN THE HOUSE!
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
Principal Sims should continue with making Orr the school all would be proud to attend. They very people complaining do not want the same children living next to them and doing nothing. Our greatness as AA declines everytine groups like Blocks Together tries to dictate instead of looking for the students. Give me a break, 44 days of absence.
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
I am a current teacher at Orr who is deeply concerned about the number of students being dropped from my classes. The truth is that many of the students who were dropped attended school almost every day and had decent grades in most of their classes. However, because they were habitually late to school and missed their first period class, and because of the bizarre way attendance is calculated (1 missed period = a half day unexcused absence), they were somehow red-flagged and dropped, no questions asked. At least two of my dropped students were seniors with enough credits to graduate and college acceptance for next year. Thankfully, they have since been reinstated because they were able to bring in family members to advocate on their behalf. But what about those students who have no one to advocate for them?
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
This story is a waste of time. Grades are given to the students in Black Schools. Affirmative action at the school level....poor black kids... No advocates...no role models...just missed class. How can kids get good grades when they are not there? Mr. Principal just pass all the students even the ones with 44 days out. Everyone will be happy. Teachers will feel they were successful. Students and parents will be happy. La la la la la. You will be happy too. Just lay in the background like all the others.
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
I applaud your efforts. I can't believe the concerned teacher comment. The principal does not calculate the attendance. All educators know there is a set number of minutes students should be in class. Although I was offended by the statement "grades in AA schools are given," it seems concerned teacher might do just that. I am an AA teacher who gives my all, but I don't lower my expectations of my AA students. In my 17 years if teaching high school math I noticed students adapt to the teacher they have if they know the teacher's motives. If they can be late, they will. If they can pass without attending, they won't come. I teach a class that is extremely difficulty to pass even if I provide make-up work. I'm proud to say, I do not have an attendance issue. My reputation speaks for itself. This is where we are headed in education, people defending disrespect, parents not being parents, a principal being ridiculed for attempting to set some standards, students being set up for failure, teachers who empathize instead of teaching. We wonder why we are no longer a world power.
Community group accuses Orr High of pushing out students
I am sure you are a good teacher. However, there are some schools that are worse than yours and some that are better. I dotn like to judge other teachers until I fully know their situatins.
I agree kids need expectations..however, some kids dont come to class out of fear of their life or other factors that are outside of a good teachers power.
However, I think principals should be able to first try to help "bad students". If students and parents don't want to get on board they need to be kicked out...end of story...give them a list of prvate schools and their prices...this may change their attitudes quickly. A 3500 dllar voucher ist going to make a dent!
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