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Noble Street defends discipline, academic record

The discipline fees are intended to accomplish two things: offset some of the expense of the discipline program but more importantly, the fee has been the best way to get the attention and involvement of parents in so we can work together to improve their child’s behavior.

There has been a lot written about Noble in the press lately including Friday’s editorial in Catalyst Chicago by Congressman Danny K. Davis. I appreciate Catalyst giving me a chance to comprehensively respond on the following points:

Noble’s discipline policy 

My wife and I both taught in Chicago public high schools in the 1990s.  I taught for eight years at Wells and she taught for five years at Harper. In both schools, there were many outstanding teachers, but the lack of discipline made it very difficult to teach.  When we founded Noble Street in 1999, we promised ourselves and our teachers that we would hold students accountable for respectful and safe behavior.   Parents have told us, with their voices and their feet, that they want that accountability in their schools. Holding students and families accountable has not been easy and we have not been perfect, but ultimately we provide what families want and deserve – a safe, caring learning environment.

Almost all of the protesting of Noble’s discipline policy has been done by people outside of Noble Street who have never even visited a Noble campus. Our parents, alumni, teachers, and current students have shown overwhelming support for Noble’s discipline policy.  That’s one reason why we have thousands of families apply to attend Noble campuses each year and thousands also on our wait-lists.  While some students transfer because of our discipline policy, many more stay because of the safety, the habits of self-discipline, and the academic achievement that it promotes. 

The discipline fees are intended to accomplish two things: offset some of the expense of the discipline program but more importantly, the fee has been the best way to get the attention and involvement of parents in so we can work together to improve their child’s behavior.

We have a safety net for those families who truly cannot afford to pay.  Our campuses work with every family who cannot afford to pay fees, and in cases of extreme hardship, we waive the fees.  No Noble Street family has had to choose between “putting food on the table or paying for detention.”  We care about our kids and our families, and if they encounter financial hardship, we will always try to find a way to help them.

Noble’s performance and Congressman Davis’ editorial

We sweat the small stuff and as a result, we have very few major infractions at our campuses. We average about one fight per year per campus, which is remarkable compared to most urban high schools across the country.

Noble Street, like all high schools, sometimes does suspend students, though often for just one day, which can nip a problem in the bud.  That’s why I believe the statistic of the “percentage of students suspended at least once” that is used in Congressman Davis’ editorial is misleading. A student suspended just one day adds to those statistics, yet that one day out of school may have made the other 179 days more valuable for that student.  The numbers given in Congressman Davis' editorial almost certainly are incorrect.  We didn’t compile, nor submit, suspensions by demographic in 2009, so we are not sure how those numbers were figured.  However, we now do compile suspension by demographic, and our data from 2012 is very far from the percentages reported for 2009.  The editorial states that the percentage of all students suspended at least one day was 51%; the 2012 figure for Noble is 19%.  It states that the percent of African-American students suspended is 88%; the 2012 figure for Noble is 30%.  It states that the percent of students with disabilities suspended was 68%; the 2012 figure for Noble is 26%.  Also, the comparison CPS suspension data includes all schools and a better comparison would be to CPS high schools. So all told, the numbers seem consistent with other Chicago public high schools. 

I absolutely respect the enormity of the job of neighborhood high schools, who must take students at any time of the year and in any year of high school.  However, Noble admits (by random lottery when needed) all students regardless of test scores, grades or any other factor.  It is true that self-selection, inherent in the application process, does make a difference. However, our demographics (89% free and reduced lunch and 98% African-American and Latino students) suggest that our campuses are much closer demographically to neighborhood high schools than to selective enrollment high schools. 

But even compared to district averages, including selective enrollment schools, Noble loses fewer students. The following statistics (compared to the district) are from the 2011 Illinois State Report Card.  Noble’s graduation rate is higher (89.7% to 73.8%), drop-out rate is lower (2.9% to 5.5%), and mobility rate is lower (7.8% to 17.6%).  Noble loses fewer students than the average district high school, and much of that retention is because of a discipline system that provides a safe environment, involves parents, and promotes self-discipline (e.g. learning to arrive on time or complete tasks).

These students perform especially well on academic measures.  Again from the 2011 Illinois State Report Card, Prairie State scores (50.4% meeting or exceeding standards compared to 28.3% for the district), average ACT scores (19.9 to 17.7) and high school attendance rate (94% to 82%) are significantly higher than CPS averages.  

We share Congressman Davis’ desire for “safer, more effective learning environments” and strongly believe that Noble Street’s program provides exactly that.  Our program helps students learn the self-discipline, accountability and respect that prepare them for college, careers and citizenship - as our alumni and even transfers have articulately noted all over local, national and social media.

Juan Williams’ video

 When Juan Williams of FOX News asked to film a documentary at Noble, we were happy to share Noble’s story, but were not aware of how the video would so negatively portray the Chicago Teacher’s Union.  We would not have agreed to participate if we had known. I have already publically expressed my problems and disappointment with the content of the video. I believe in a positive debate and that video was not helpful.  I also know and respect the outstanding work that thousands of CTU members do every day for their students.  

I appreciate having the opportunity to outline my thoughts in detail, including Noble’s statistics on discipline, retention, and academic achievement. Far too often, in our sound-bite media culture, our schools, educators and families are treated unfairly.  At Noble Street, we are committed to providing a world-class education to the families that need it most. We are not perfect.  We will listen to our critics and especially to our students and parents closely as we seek to improve.  However, we will stand resolute in our belief that students all over Chicago can meet a higher standard of behavior and achievement and we will be relentless in our pursuit of success for them. 

Michael Milkie is co –founder of Noble Street Charter Schools, a network of 10 high school campuses with 6,500 students. 

10 comments

Anonymous wrote 1 year 5 weeks ago

One of the key reasons (IMO)

One of the key reasons (IMO) that Noble has a high retention rate is that parents and students know, from the second they walk in the door, what the expectations are. Parents who want their children to go to Noble KNOW what Noble is like in terms of discipline -- and success. Everything is 100% transparent.

The teachers are my charter school have begged and pleaded to transform the discipline policy to match Noble's. We've been denied over and over again. One child's right to act up over rules the right of 29 other children's right to learn. It is a travesty.

Anonymous wrote 1 year 5 weeks ago

Danny Davis

Why is he even commenting?

Anonymous wrote 1 year 5 weeks ago

2012?

Why is he comparing 2009 discipline figures that they didn't compile to 2012 figures that aren't complete yet (unless another part of Noble's secret is time travel)?

Anonymous wrote 1 year 5 weeks ago

2012 numbers and errors

Milkie likely has a computer system that can give him suspensions to date at an annualized rate. Looking at the data that way makes it easier to spot trends as the year progresses. No reason not to use the current year if he has the information readily available. They are heavy data users in the management of their schools, and it's likely Milkie's numbers are very accurate.

Seems like Danny Davis got some numbers wrong. He should either acknowledge the errors, or challenge Milkie's assertions.

NobleNetworkStudent wrote 1 year 5 weeks ago

"We didn’t compile, nor

"We didn’t compile, nor submit, suspensions by demographic in 2009, so we are not sure how those numbers were figured. However, we now do compile suspension by demographic, and our data from 2012 is very far from the percentages reported for 2009."
Congressman Davis' put out a report that "showed" the discipline figures of 2009, something that the Noble Network did not do at that time. He's comparing the figures he has now to those that Davis put out. It's all in the text.

Anonymous wrote 1 year 4 weeks ago

Charter Schools

To put it simply, the ability to pick and choose your students give you a much better chance at educating them. Students with bad habits and bad behavior are removed and sent to neighborhood schools who can not remove them and must put up with their bad behaviors, inability to read and bad attitudes. Those same neighborhood schools(with those same bad students) must also attempt to match test scores with children from selective enrollment schools, guess how that's going to work out.

me wrote 1 year 4 weeks ago

Video

As a CTU teacher, I appreciate your apology. To be honest, I am not a huge CTU fan , but I am a member. But this video went beyond any sense of debate and dignity. If I were you I would have previewed the video before allowing children to be used as political pawns.

DId you sign a waiver when they made the video? Next time, as a leader of a school, I think you would have asked yourself or a lawyer about your rights to rescind your permission to use children to promote a political propaganda. This is a very very serious violation or your student's trust. If, I were a parent I might ask that you resign.

You are very lucky you still have your job. A regular CPS principal would have lost their job for sure. To me this is an example of the double standard and autonomy you enjoy with public money. You used a public trust to promote a political agenda. This is very very disturbing to many people, especially teachers who were caught in this tape. CTU memebers are not allowed to use school time to promote CTU issues, I would assume principals are not allowed to use CPS money or time to promote a political agenda or video, (knowing or unknowing).

I don't understand how someone as smart as you, allowed this to happen. Have you considered an apology to the CTU union or at least to the teachers in general?

You have great school and I am sure you are a good person.However, imgagine what CPS woould do if they caught a teacher or principal doing this and have a little sympathy for what we are under. I think you should allow an alternate video to me made showing the other side of the issue.

unhappy parent wrote 47 weeks 2 days ago

failing because of discipline and not grades

I am a mother of a charter school student. My child is a good student, but like all students likes to talk and act like what he is "a teenager". My son was blamed for something he did not do and suspended for 10 days without proof. His grades went from an A to an F because the teachers who were asked to send home work, did not do so. My son had to work twice as hard to get his grade back up, which he did.
To make a long story short... because of the suspensions that the school gives to students not only for serious situations but also because they accumulate a certain number of detentions, now I have to pay $280.00 for summer school classes for discipline and absences. How does that make sense??!! Oh, did I mention that if he doesn't sign up for summer school, he will fail his freshman year even though he has a "B" average. I think it is unfair to the student who's grades drop and to the parent to have to pay 140.00 per summer school course when it wasn't my choice for my child to be absent.

Former Student wrote 31 weeks 13 hours ago

Former Student

My name is Jose AKA Joey and I am a former student of Mr. Milkie's from his days as a teacher at Wells Academy High School, Class of 96. He has guided not only me but many students towards a bright future full of hope and success. If it wasn't for his dedication to students and their well being and academic guidance many of us would have chosen different paths in life. Trust me when I say that your kids are in good hands. I currently have 2 younger sisters in one of the charter schools he helped start and I am confident that they are getting the education they need and the guidance they deserve. I now live in LA and am working in Hollywood on movies like Transformers/Real steal and many of my own projects. Thanks to one simple question from Mr. Milkie, Joey would you like to attend summer school and working on trigonometry and get you into a good college? That was the start of my career. 100's of his students would back him up and continue to send their kids to his schools and when I have kids and if should live in Chicago my kids will go to his schools.

Isabel wrote 16 weeks 6 days ago

Mr.Milkie

Thank you Mr.Milkie for the noble schools :D
next year i will be entering a noble hogh school, and you were my mother and aunt's
math teacher at wells.

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