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Marshall High and other turnaround high schools, in Chicago and nationally, face a thorny dilemma. Higher-performing students are being siphoned off through competition, driving down enrollment and raising tough policy questions about the future of these schools.

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There's Thanksgiving on the 27th, the Prep Bowl for high school students on the 28th. 

Despite the new website, you still have to go to different calendars to get all this information.  One page has some dates, another has the others.

There's also a BPI-Catalyst luncheon on December 3rd (here). 

Anything I'm leaving out?

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Kugler - Accountability wrote 3 years 9 weeks ago

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When we teachers miss one lesson plan, one day's attendance or grades we are written up and disciplined. These principals endanger staff and students (minors) and are allowed to continue to work without arrest. I may start working on a project looking at principals that are sabotaged by the board despite their efforts to fix a school.

No accountability!

[url=http://hbpub.vo.llnwd.net/o16/video/olmk/klein/new_wmv_large.wmv new=true]Shock Doctrine![/url]

The plan is to keep everyone fearful that way it is easy to steal the money at the top.

The shock doctrine is not about controlling people, its is on the lower level, but it is about creating a distraction so people do not question what management or higher level policy level organizations can divert resources to their own interests.

Iraq, Bailout Plans, Crime Waves, Health Care Crises, Illegal Immigrants, etc……

Do not be fooled into being afraid or standing up for your rights. If you do not stand up who will? Surely it will not be the next person who just saw the principal abuse the staff and get away with it.

The corruption and abuse needs to end!

Do your jobs protect the children and staff in your schools.

Report all corrupt and criminal conduct to the proper authorities.

Be part of the solution not part of the problem.

John Kugler
kuglerjohn@comcast.net

Resources

Planned Chaos (1947) Ludwig von Mises [url=http://mises.org/story/2454 new=true]Read Here[/url]

Disaster Profiteering: Purging the Poor in the New New Orleans, September 23rd, 2005
[url=http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/23/1338233&mode=thread&tid=25 new=true]Listen or Watch[/url]

Bailout Profiteers and the Multi-Trillion-Dollar Crime Scene
November 17, 2008 [url=http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/17/naomi_klein_on_the_bailout_profiteers new=true]Listen or Watch[/url]

Fuel, Food, Housing and Banking Crises
July 15, 2008 [url=http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/15/with_crises_in_fuel_food_housing new=true]Listen or watch[/url]

George N. Schmidt wrote 3 years 9 weeks ago

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This week (December Substance) we are launching a series of articles on toxic principals -- the most corrupt of a very corrupt group of often overpaid ($120,000 to $145,000 per year) and very often undercompetent Chicago principals.

Ironically, Bessie Karvelas is far from the "worst". Right now in the high schools, my vote would go to Dushaun Brown at Brooks -- and the crazy influence of the alderman out there -- but that's a story still under investigation. I'm also having fun learning about some of these bullies in the elementary schools. And, of course, there are the three-headed monsters out there (the "small schools" administrations and the new three-principal places like the "Tuarnarounded Harper").

Anyway, we've already written as much as I care to about the scams at Lincoln Park High School and the strange but lucrative career of Bessie Karvelas. It's on the "old" Substance Website.

My only interest in updating the story is to go over, for purposes of current and future events, how much the leadership of the Chicago Teachers Union -- officers, field reps, chiefs of staff, etc. -- worked in collaboration with these nasty principals against solid union delegates. That's a story that is still coming out and will be told in due time.

Heck, on the "leadership style" of that particular semi-entity, we wrote the whole story about what it took for Von Humboldt to recover from the same kind of nonsense. Remember: if you've been around long enough, you leave a trail. If you've been decent with people and treated everyone fairly, it's a clean trail. If its covered with blood and garbage, eventually people will notice that the smell stays on you, no matter how much you invest in Chanel and even the more expensive $800 per ounce scents.

affirmative wrote 3 years 9 weeks ago

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Thanks George, I've learned a lot from your blogs. I realize that I am bored with corruption, condesending, ego- tripping principals with their shady llt's and ap's. Not to mention the elitest attitudes of the soroities, ( no one does it better) heaven forbid they take over the whole school, system or world.. I feel there are too many diva's in education, who would rather die than be placed in a class room. We are here to educate children! not to evaluate fashion statements. Again if they did'nt flood the schools with people who want to model, we might have enough money to get better resources. There will be justice, I believe it, and it's worth waiting for.

George N. Schmidt wrote 3 years 9 weeks ago

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Bessie Karvelas did not help "organize" the last strike. She did picket duty from Amundsen High School in 1987, just like every other teacher at the school. Her picket work included pushing a stroller, since her children were (in 1987) still quite young.

A number of us "organized" the 1987 strike. Amundsen anchored the picket line at Lane Tech on the Addison St. side, while other schools anchored the line on the Western Ave. side. Karvelas was a loyal union member and picket -- one of hundreds on the Lane Tech picket line alone.

Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or doesn't know much about the 1987 strike.

As to Karvelas's loyalty to the union at Amundsen during normal times -- that's not as clear. Like many teachers, she would take advantage of a situation for her own benefit, showing absolutely no solidarity or concern for the contract. Twice during my time teaching English there, principals got angry with my work as union delegate and rotated me out of teaching the Advanced Placement English class. One time, the drunk Frank Hughes took the course at the behest of the principal, and almost collapsed from the work.

When Karvelas said "Yes" to that offer, she actually believed that good AP results came because we had advanced copies of the exam, and not because the kids worked very very hard under very tough teaching. When she discovered that she actually had to real the major classical works carefully with people who understood them, she was out of her league. Students who were there that year (and with whom I'm still in contact) remember it well. As to writing...

Anyone who has read an original work written by Bessie Karvelas knows what that's about. In my opinion, that was one of the reasons why she got rid of Bernie Eshoo -- Bernie is a clever writer, factual and precise.

Writing was one of the many skills that Bessie never quite mastered. Ever.

Answer to Real Chris wrote 3 years 9 weeks ago

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Yes, that's the one. Always played favorites in programming and assignments, but could be made to uphold the contract.

Real Chris wrote 3 years 9 weeks ago

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Is it true that Bessie Karvelas is the same person who helped organize the last strike and proved herself as an effective Union leader?
So,are we writing about the personality change ?

George N. Schmidt wrote 3 years 9 weeks ago

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"...Could it be that Bernie Eshoo did not apply the best tactics in representing the faculty and teachers, and blames it on CTU instead of taking responsibility herself?..." (yesterday).

No.

Karvelas had to really stretch to get rid of a union delegate who was doing her job. And the realities of her previous school, as you darn well know, were a lot more complicated than being diplomatic. Remember the test scores roller coaster? I know you have a lot more to share, and can't wait until the sharing begins without the fluffery.

to George wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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Bessie Karvelas was the principal at my school prior to her appointment at Lincoln Park. I was the Union Delegate. Was she a diva--yes. Could she be vindictive--Yes. Did she violate the Union contract?--No. Bessie does not take well to confrontation or power challenges, but could be handled when approached cooperatively. The role of the delegate is, after all, to get the principal to abide by the contract.

Could it be that Bernie Eshoo did not apply the best tactics in representing the faculty and teachers, and blames it on CTU instead of taking responsibility herself?

To Kugler & George wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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What do you know about Bill Fletcher's theory that the working class has become paralyzed in the wake of the overwhelming push from the ruling class in the race for profits??? He also seems to talk about stagnant union leadership that hasn't mobilized the workers. How do you view his work in the context of our present leadhrship??

Real Chris wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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Wow.I am very popular today.I was sure that to imitate my writing style is almost impossible.
By the way I agree with "Who IS Chris" . As a member of the ethnic group I am not happy to see that my countrymen are not always well organized and are not interested in politics as Greek Americans.Very likely we are more interested in providing financial support to our families first.
I am proud having people with Greek roots around and value their ability to influence politicians on the local and national level.
So far stereotypes place Polish Americans as good and hard working tradesmen in spite of the fact that not all of us
have skills to be carpenters or plumbers.
Regardless of the job and occupation we definitely love this great democratic country and greatly contribute in order to improve quality of life and preserve traditional American values.
War in Iraq proved that Poles are very reliable and proud
of being a part of the effort to establish democracy there paying very often the highest price.
Therefore, I strongly believe that "To :Chris"will have enough courage and will revise the emotional post above.

Who is Chris?To:To Chris wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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The "Greek movement"is not a derogatory statement/definition.
Some ethnic groups are more politically connected than others.
"Greek movement"is a positive description of the group of people who work effectively together,they are helping each other and share successes.Vallas was a Greek and he was very effective regardless.Where is the problem?

To:To Chris wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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Mea Culpa Mea Culpa Mea Culpa MeaCulpa
I deserve to be disciplined at this time.Currently I am working hard to improve my Chinese.I strongly believe that you should work to get additional formal qualification ,otherwise you could face competition from people who were able to obtain education you could only dream about.See you in unemployment line shortly.
Do not be upset just smile and of course post under your true name.Have a fun checking the public records on ISBOEd ECS and again you are only YOU,unfortunately.

To: Chris wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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You are a typical Polish chauvinist...which I always felt. Now you are an ethnic racist as well. Instead of your drunken blogging, perhaps you might find a tutor to teach you how to speak and write fluently in ENGLISH...the language of the country you live in and enjoy the benefits of! Better use of time...especially if you ever want to teach again. God knows, I would never hire you for reasons on many levels.

Chris To:George wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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Thank you.Just kidding.Nothing to do with race,religion and national origin.As you know Polish people are involved in the charter school movement,another Polish ladies are very active in selling their own souls supporting Madame hoping to get a job at the Mart.
I know also German who is knowledgeable and Union oriented newspaper editor.
Sorry for misunderstanding,I just tried to get a reaction from peoples involved you are only one who responded .
Having fun is a part of the Thanksgiving day (and drinking activities sometimes as well)so keep smilling .
At the same time I ask Greeks,Polish,German,Kenyan,Zimbabweian and others to excuse me.
It is just a blog but I hope that some of us will be able to analyze their own action and ask themselves what the word "honesty"really means.

George N. Schmidt wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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"I am little confused:Carvelas is perceived as an active Union member in the past. Is it any kind of Greek movement? Vallas, Haji, Sia and Pam? What's going on?..." (Chris, yesterday).

Chris, I don't think it has anything to do with "Greek". Traitors and back stabbers are traitors and back stabbers.

Karvelas was an active union member when she taught English at Amundsen High School. After the English Dept. was crushed in order to get rid of me (half the teachers in English purged so they could reach me in 1993; I sued and won), she was one of a half dozen who were put "on the road."

Our union brothers and sisters helped her at Hyde Park when she arrived there, fearful of the students at Hyde Park. She also spent some time at another high school before she began cashing in her administrative credential (and Nova "doctorate").

By the time she purged Lincoln Park High School, she (and her mentor, former Amundsen Principal Ed Klunk, who was also once a "good union man") were utilizing every technicality and trick to undermine and purge the union.

One of the ironies of the current reality is that Ted Dallas is now meditating on the mendacity and treason of some of Karvalas's landsmen (as we would call them among the "Dutch" -- which was American for Deutsch). But Karvelas's purge of Lincoln Park was done in part with the cooperation of the leadership of the Chicago Teachers Union at the time.

Ironic, isn't it, how things come around to basic principals?

But one thing's for sure...

If you worry about the race, religion or ethnicity or these self-serving non-entities, you'll never get very far in understanding how things are working.

For example, is Arne Duncan "Greek"? Or Barbara Eason Watkins? Or Richard M. Daley?

It's a class thing...

Unions are organized to defend working men and women from bosses. That simple, really. That's what Bernie Eshoo was doing questioning Karvelas about her stuffing class sizes so big (while the union looked the other way; then as now). The praxis that followed (from the CTU leadership; CPS; Karvelas) is a matter of history. And they have nothing to do with the fact that some of the people are "Greek" (and others Assyrian -- by marriage at least).

Tonya to:Dallas wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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Is it true that current CTU officers made a derogatory statements regarding your BLACK wife?
Is it true that you decided not to press charges and let them verbally abuse your well educated,intelligent wife?

ChrisTo:Bernie Eshoo wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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I respect your position and your involvement .
I am little confused:Carvelas is perceived as an active Union member in the past.
Is it any kind of Greek movement?Vallas, Haji ,Sia and Pam?
Whats going on?
I was sure that we can depend on each other.

Chris To:Kugler wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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Thank you.I hope we would stay united at the end.
Happy Thanksgiving for all honest Unionist(how many left by the way?).
Happy Thanksgiving for dishonest and traitors as well hope you change your minds.
TOGETHER WE STAND.

Kugler - Thankful Change wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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[b]Happy Thanksgiving![/b]

Thanks to all my family, friends and coworkers for standing up for what is right.

How to effect change is the question?

Martyrdom is not the goal; change is the mechanism to create both long-term and short-term operational adjustments that can transform existing systems.

Strategically planned actions that move individual events towards a critical mass that can then be used to FORCE an action are the desired ends of any concerted effort to create the conditions that will accept a different approach to conducting activities that have different results. It is only when there is a majority of individuals, who build a consensus that then leads to a movement when true change can occur. Without a consensus individuals are just spinning their wheels. It is even true in litigation, that the individual who struggles and has perseverance to build a legal case is also creating a movement that eventually has a decision and at that point in time if the individual has developed an argument to it's fullest potential using the tools of the system to change the system itself, then the only ruling can be in favor of the petitioner, but as it is very difficult and resource consuming to complete the judicial cycle from beginning to end, most individuals are not successful due to the nature of modern judicial procedures.

To make the simple analogy to warfare that we have all heard, we may loose a battle or two but we will win the war. We were all exposed in the most recent president debates to the talk of strategy vs. tactics; in many instances the tactics used during an individual event may not have the desired end, individual empowerment, but are part of the whole, which would be a mass movement that then furthers the goals of each individual.

Does change come about by power or can one group convince another to adjust behaviors to help promote change? Change can take place on many levels: “individual, intermediate, and macrolevel [sic]†(1998, p. 366). Steven Vago makes clear that change agents are usually “professionals who influence, promote, and implement innovation†towards a direction that is advantageous to the group that initiates the action of transformation (p. 338). Vago goes on to explain the means of change are through social institutions, convincing messages and force. The only differences in force are the degrees to which a change agent takes action to promote the modifications of behavior. In my view there are no ethical issues related to change or its agents for the reason that change is a natural form of development that will take place. It is only the means and the methods that differ. The process for change that can result in violence and destruction are the issues that create observable issues of distress to individuals and groups.

Aristotle determined that ethics is taking right action (350 BC) “Actions are right in proportion as they tend to promote happiness†for the majority, writes Mill (1863, p. 144) James Madison in The Federalist No. 10 discusses factions and the fact that the cause of factions can never be eliminated, but a “well-constructed union†has to be able to break and control these factions (Fairfield, 1788, p. 16). The government is protecting the rights of the majority. If someone does not like a law, he/she should not break the law but change it. They can also promote their views to the majority and once accepted they will no longer be in opposition. Any means to correct improper behavior or action is good as long as it promotes the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people.

Now, I can hear, what the heck is that have to do with anything? Kugler you are off your rocker, too much turkey for you, slow down, take a nap, and chill out.

What I'm trying to say is: are you fighting to fight, or are you fighting to win? Well this is a trick question; you shouldn't be fighting at all. The point is change. As I stated in my opening argument, change can only be affected by consensus and majority not a minority, so that idea must be to change individuals: how they think and how they feel, to see that certain actions can and will lead to a higher level of interactions between people, that in the end will serve everyone. The idea of progress needs to be questioned: is all progress good? The answer would have to go back to the moral intention of the value of the progress towards the good of mankind.

John Kugler
[url=http://csdu.org/ new=true]CSDU[/url]
kuglerjohn@comcast.net

References

Aristotle. (350 BC/1985). Nicomachean ethics (T. Irwin, Trans.). Indianapolis, Ind.: Hackett Pub. Co.

Fairfield, R. P. (Ed.). (1788/1966). The Federalist papers; a collection of essays written in support of the constitution of the United States. From the original text of Alexander Hamilton, James Madison [and] John Jay (2d ed.). Garden City, N.Y.: Anchor Books. (Originally published 1778 to1788)

Mill, J. S. (1992). On liberty and utilitarianism. New York: Alfred A. Knopf. (Originally published: On Liberty, 1859 and Utilitarianism, 1863)

Vago, S. (1998). Chapter 9. In Social change (4 ed., pp. 332-372). Upper Saddle, NJ: Prentice Hall/Pearson Education (Reprinted in ED8004: XanEdu Capella University Coursepack (2005). Ann Arbor: ProQuest, pp. 39-79).

Everyone gets an "A" or "B'' wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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This is another example of how we, as tenured teachers, delegates or LSC representatives are treated by our employer yet the Reform Law of 1988(?) mandates that we have a PPLC in every school. The "L"stands for leadership yet CPS, with the help of the contigent of weak teachers and administrators, who are pervasive in some schools do not want teacher leaders. Most weak principals deliberately hire weak sisters-they are controllable. You know these folk. Everyone gets an "A" or "B" in their classes. Kid can't read is responded to with, "well, he could read in my room." ...but, but he has a 34% on the ISAT, Benchmark or is red on the DIBELS is met with, "he must have been nervous"...CPS is a joke.

Bernie Eshoo wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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The legal protection from genuine Union activities is protected by law but then the human factor becomes vital.
In the ’06 school year at at Lincoln Park, there were 150+ oversized classes and 12 teachers with over 140 students (same dept. – another teacher had 89 total; certainly not the teachers fault but patently unfair to teachers & students).
I had been LP delegate for a dozen years and had a working relationship with four passed principals. (LP frequently had oversized issues due to the many different programs – it was nothing new but it was my elected duty to bring the Union in and stand back and watch very little happed – another yearly event).
In late Sept '06, after I made my request to the programmer for a class size list, Principal Bessie Karvelas stormed into the Library, pointed her finger in my face, stated that if I “did anything about class size and upset her relationship with Arne Duncan, there would be cuts and she would tell everybody exact whose fault it wasâ€. She then stormed out of the crowded library. Yes, there was a teacher witness, the other librarian (who landed a new library overtime position and took over my Service Learning duties after Karvelas cut my library position). His response to the Union and labor lawyer requests was he “remembered the event but could not remember what Karvelas said to Eshoo†He refused to testify at my Unfair Labor Hearing as did two of the elected PPC committee members (they witnessed Karvelas’ over the top aggression towards me at Sept. ’06 PPC meeting). I have written statements from both teachers expressing their support of me, the acknowledgement of Karvelas’ vindictive treatment of me….but they could not or would not testify for me.
My LP 17 year career ended at 8:00 am on Oct. 4 when Karvelas called the Library and informed me that she had decided to close out my position, moments later an AP came to my Library office, confiscated my school keys, and walked me out of the building.
The vast majority of staff and hundreds of students protested. The teacher/student protest over my dismissal at the early Oct. LSC meeting (I had been the teacher rep. at LP since the mid ’90s…yes, that means I recommended hiring Karvelas in ‘05) made the local 10:00 pm news. Students, staff, and parents protested to the Bd. about the injustice of my dismissal.
It has been over two years and I have yet to have a final decision in either my unfair labor practice or my Union grievance.
I am now an assigned Librarian at Steinmetz. I like it there; it is a professionally managed environment with challenges and positive opportunities.
I didn’t intend for this to be so long – George you pushed the button on this Thanksgiving morning.

George N. Schmidt wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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As everyone knows, it you want good legal advice you should ask a reacher, or blogger, and if you want good ...

Anyway...

Misinformation can be dangerous. If reality calls for struggle, and someone thinks the courts and lawyers are going to "win" these battles, then delusion will prove dangerous or even (professionally) fatal.

If those "rights" that are reported above, I would still be working (and union delegate) at Amundsen High School (where they gutted the English Department in 1993 and sent me to Bowen) and Bernice Eshoo would still be one of two librarians at Lincoln Park High School (where Bessie Karvelas, the principal, left the school with one librarian in order to rid herself of a tough union delegate in 2006).

I prefer not to write about "rights" that exist only in the abstract. If we can't enforce them (or haven't) they don't exist in the real world for real teachers.

We published the CASE exams in Substance in 1999 with the full knowledge that U.S. Supreme Court decisions (the Pentagon Papers cases) supported the right of newspapers (Substance; The New York Times; The Washington Post) under the First Amendment to publish documents of public concern to provide materials for the public debate. Given that the Pentagon Papers were secret documents about military planning published while a war was still going on, the decision was thought to have enormous First Amendment power.

You can read how the First Amendment (let alone Illinois Whistle Blower statutes) was shredded by the CPS dodge of "copyright infringement" (what they sued us for a million dollars -- never to collect a penny, despite what you can Google at Tribune.com -- and fired me for) and the support of reactionary judges in the U.S. Courts here:

Judge Charles Norgle Sr. at the U.S. District Court

Judge Richard Posner (read his blog to really see how far the right wing can go into absurdity of "markets") at the Seventh U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The Supreme Court (which denied our case certiorare four years ago).

If "we" had these rights, I would still be teaching (instead of on the DO NOT HIRE list, city and suburb, by the way) and Bernie Eshoo would still be librarian (and, among other things, service learning chief) at Lincoln Park H.S.

And, by the way, I had two years of Law School (DePaul) before returning to teaching after I had spent five years organizing (and doing legal counseling for) soldiers -- active duty -- against the Vietnam War.

I do not take legal advice from teachers, or weapons training from lawyers.

And I suggest that before teachers march off into battle under the belief that they have certain "rights" in practice in Chicago today, they actually prepare for a major battle, and the possibility of "losing."

My family and I are celebrating Thanksgiving today with many blessings, but the protection of our "rights" by the federal courts (First Amendment; other) or Illinois Whistle Blower statutes are not among those blessings. Since I'm still in this fight, I can say it's both worth fighting, and can be won.

But not if people insist on believing things that are, at the present time in history in this city, not true.

Marricat wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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There is nothing in the current contract that talks about retaliation but there are things in the state law that protects whistleblowers and may work in this situation.

To LPHS wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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Isn't there a section in the contract that deals with retaliation for union activity???? The principal can always claim whatever they did had nothing to do with it, but if you have a strong field rep - they should defend you. Unfortunately, LPHS did not support the current CTU administration, so you probably didn't get and won't ever get any help. Too bad our union is so political that the people who need help don't get it if they don't back certain parties. Oh well - must be what it feels like to live in a Red state if you're a card-carying unionist!

L.P.H.S. wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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There is no protection from vindictive, self-absorbed Divas who masquerade as high school principals.
The Union cannot or will not effectively challenge the principle. The Bd. will not discipline a principle for deliberate harassment of delegates, and why would the Bd. it works in their favor.
The Union would serve the membership well by informing them that any non-tenured teacher (especially if the teacher is not in a core subject area) should avoid local Union activity.

Some schools are closed today... wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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Where are the protections for the delegate? I filed grievances for members which included unsafe conditions, special ed violations, class size referrals and principal harrassment of an LSC teacher. I am a tenured teacher and was moved into 6 different classrooms in the span of 5 years. The list of principal pay backs is long but who cares? Who protects us? After 15 years I resigned as a delegate and three years later we still do not have a delegate yet we pay $900.00 a year in dues.

Know Your Rights wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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[b]The right to active participation in a Weingarten setting [/b]- The Supreme Court held, in a case known as Weingarten, that an employee who is being questioned by management, and who has a reasonable belief that discipline may ensue, has a right to representation prior to answering questions. The right must be invoked by the employee. A Delegate has no right to invoke it for the employee. In other words, the employee must request a Delegate.

Management sometimes asserts that the Delegate may only be a silent witness. This is wrong. The Delegate has the following rights:

When the Delegate arrives, the supervisor must inform the Delegate of the subject matter of the interview.

The Delegate must be allowed to take the employee aside for a private preinterview conference.

The Delegate must be allowed to speak during the interview.

The Delegate has the right to request that the supervisor clarify a question so that the employee understands what is being asked.

After a question is asked, the Delegate can give advice on how to answer.

When the questioning ends, the Delegate can provide additional information to the supervisor.

It should be noted that, if the Weingarten rules are complied with, Delegates do not have the right to tell workers not to answer questions.

Delegates will be most effective if they are knowledgeable about their legal rights as well as their contractual rights. When management violates the legal rights of Delegates, the judicious use of charges against the employer with the NLRB can be effective in educating management about their legal responsibilities.

Marricat wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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I was glad to see the two posts above. I have been debating these issues for years both as a member and as a delegate. It is nice to see other people taking up the cause.

Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kugler - Surfing in the am wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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i find this interesting info

NLRB and the courts have recognized this problem and have created a special [b]legal status for Delegates [/b]when they engage in union business - they are considered
to be [b]equals with management.[/b]

As the NLRB has stated: The relationship at a grievance meeting is [b]not a "master-servant" relationship[/b] but a relationship between company advocates on the one side and union advocates on the other side, engaged as equal opposing parties in litigation.

[b]US Supreme Court[/b] has said the National Labor Relations Act contemplates robust debate and gives a union license to use intemperate, abusive, or insulting language without fear of restraint or penalty if it believes such rhetoric to be an effective means to make its point.

[b]The right to solicit grievances[/b] - There is a common belief among managers that union Delegates may not solicit grievances that they may file grievances only if employees complain and ask them to file. This notion is false. The NLRB has specifically ruled, the solicitation of grievances is a protected activity for Delegates as well as other employees.

[url=http://obmuaa.org/documents/Legal_Rights_of_Delegates_or_Stewards.pdf new=true]http://obmuaa.org/documents/Legal_Rights_of_Delegates_or_Stewards.pdf[/url]

we have had members be told point blank that they have no right to representation. The union at times has told members since "they filed one their own" the union has no responsibility advocate for the member that filed a grievance on their own.(just happened in sept) that is the state of our employment: fear and [b]illegal activity[/b] by the board and the union in [b]denying our members[/b] their [b]union protection.[/b]

John Kugler
[url=http://csdu.org/ new=true]CSDU[/url]
kuglerjohn@comcast.net

The Union Steward wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

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The Union Steward

Who are these of lowly pay
With haggard look and hair of grey?
They get no rest by day or night.
They're always wrong. They're never right.
They do not have a law degree,
But go to bat for you and me.
Though seldom have they been to college,
They must possess the widest knowledge,
Of labor grades and when to grieve,
Vacation pay and sickness leave,
Of overtime and who's to do it,
Of coffeetime and who's to brew it,
The how and which and why and when,
And all the problems of women and men.
If, with forepersons they agree,
Then they're rats who've got weak knees.
If to the workers they try to cater,
They're branded as agitators.
Those who have to take this slop
Are called the STEWARDS of your shop.
– --Anonymous (from The Legal Rights of Union Stewards by Robert M. Schwartz, revised edition
1994)

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