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Friday, March 28, 2008
City Limits From a teacher who reads this blog and is struggling with the city's residency rule:  "I have been a CPS teacher since 2001 and I love my job.  I want to continue being a city teacher forever.  However, I have a 1 year old and my wife is pregnant again.  The city is so expensive and I want to live in a safe neighborhood that I can afford (which is non-existent on my salary).  I would love to be able to live outside the city and I am not sure why we are mandated to live in the city.  Are they afraid that there will be a mass exodus of teachers to the suburbs and a loss of tax base?  I can assure you that most teachers are in a similar financial position to myself --- if I were to move to the suburbs, I would have to sell my home.  And the person who moved in, would make the same amount as me and therefore would be paying the same taxes-- so the city would lose nothing.  Furthermore, I do not think a large number of teachers would want to move outside the city and have a long commute.  This is my main issue as a CPS teacher (above salary, working conditions, or benefits) and I know I am not alone.  I am trying to find out more information about House Bill 4375.  If  we are the third largest teachers union, where is all of our power.  How can a bill nearly unanimously pass the house, and then get snatched up in Senate committees and killed.?"



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Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:19 AMBy: get rid of it NOW! City Limits Very well-written. I agree with you 150%! Why are we the only district in Illinois that requires this?! Actually, only Milwaukee and Chicago have this requirement, even New York has done away with their requirement. Most people who have lived in their home for many years and work for the system are not going to just pick up and move because they now have the chance to get out of the city. I am also in a dilema with the residency requirement because I have elderly parents in the suburbs and need to be near them as my father's eyesight is failing and he needs to be driven to appointments and things of the sort. Anyway, there are thousands of CPS employees who should be living in the city but they don't, they are just lucky enough to not have been investigated. Another problem I have with the requirement is it takes 5 years for tenure so even if you fork over the big bucks for a city home, there is no guarantee you will have a job in a few years.
Our union seems to be a joke! They were all gangbusters on getting this law repelled before the elections and now it seems to have been swept under the carpet. We are not prisoners, we should have a choice as to where we want to live! Also, there are many qualified teachers and administrators who would love to work in a CPS school but they don't because they do not live in the city and not find it worth moving just to comply with this silly rule.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:22 AMBy: this will never change City Limits You will lose a large tax base!
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:36 AMBy: my opinion City Limits How will you lose a large tax base? In order to move to a new home, one would have to sell their home to someone else. This person would be buying your home at a higher price than what you paid for it, hence higher property taxes will be assessed and the new people will be spending money in the city. There will always be people who want to live in the city!
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:00 AMBy: Informer City Limits Well, that rule does not apply to everyone... I know several high-end administrators, like the principal at Social Justice High School, that lives in the suburbs and everybody in the board (from the AIO to Mr. Arne, knows it). How come that rule doesn't apply to everyone? This is unfair and someone should do something about it... Check this null...
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:16 AMBy: LV City Limits The residency requirement is absurd. I asked earlier this week about any updates. I just feel that a person's job should not dictate where they live. I also believe that the city is afraid to resind the residency requirement because the fire and police departments would want it as well. But no one that works for CPS is a first responder. On the other hand, didn't the fire and police departments receive a cost of living increase in their contracts? Just venting...
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 2:00 PMBy: Lois City Limits I agree with the absurdity of this requirement, however it is law and can laws be changed? Only if Mayor Daley wants it to change. How far are CPS members willing to go to get this law changed? Would this have been a deal breaker if a contract were being negociated? How many would be willing to go all the way on this issue? I say this is one of many issues that needed to be addressed and resolved in our favor before agreeing to our contract. But though the contract is long, it is not forever and next contract comes along, be sure that your issue is addressed before ratifying it. Meanwhile lets keep the pressure on our legislators and just maybe we can get the law changed.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 2:16 PMBy: caveat to the law City Limits Some folks are grandfathered in because the law didn't come about till 1995- so anyone with continuous employment with CPS prior to 1995 is not bound by the law- however, anyone hired after the date is.

And it is not going to change . . . no matter how hard we try!
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 2:20 PMBy: CPS parent City Limits yes, the law does not apply to everyone. Some employees are "grandfathered" in. It is absurd to me that you, Informer, do not know this.

Keep the city limits requirements. All urban school districts should have it. If you're going to be teaching in an urban environment, then you as a teacher should be somewhat aware of the pressures and general urban everyday life. what better way to experience them first hadn than by living them.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 2:24 PMBy: people City Limits You are the union. If you want the law changed, mobilize your fellow teachers. Go to Lobby Day in Springfield on April 30. If you can't go to Lobby Day, take a delegation of teachers to the District offices of your legislators and alderman. Go speak at the LSC and the PTA to let parents know why this would bring better teachers to their school. CTU's paid lobbyists can talk until they are blue in the face, but the law will not be changed until the voters demand it. All of you, do this, then you have a union. Good grief.

The only way contract negotiations impacts this is that if the law stands, it is an excellent argument for higher salaries and/or housing benefits.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 3:15 PMBy: try Beverly & Morgan Park City Limits you can get your little bungalow in Beverly or Morgan Park. not too expensive for a two-salary household.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 4:12 PMBy: math fan City Limits Even if you do sell your house, it's still a net loss of revenue - younger teachers starting in CPS won't have to stay in the city when they buy property. Chicago needs middle- to upper-class professionals to stay in the city in order to preserve some form of tax base and fund, among other things, public schools, and... well, teachers are perhaps unfairly bearing the burden. Of course, if Illinois weren't 49th in the nation in education spending, this wouldn't be so poignant a problem.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 5:18 PMBy: don Justice City Limits Cynthia Barron, AIO Area 25 lives in Indiana
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 5:42 PMBy: New Day City Limits I wonder, what would the result be if CPS was under state control instead of mayoral control?
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 6:56 PMBy: don Justice City Limits Sorry don, but Cynthia started in the system when the residency rule didn't apply.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 7:49 PMBy: No Contract Left Behind City Limits "I wonder, what would the result be if CPS was under state control instead of mayoral control?"

The system would be a disaster, but state contractors would love it.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:29 PMBy: New Day City Limits "The system would be a disaster, but state contractors would love it."
I agree, but the contractors we have now are just as bad. Maybe we could live where we choose.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:52 PMBy: city livin' City Limits This has been debated on this blog for a while now sice AR started it--a long time already--the city residency will never change. Deal with it--it willnot happen. CTU has much bigger fish to fry--you do not want to live in Chi town-go teach in the suburbs then, VCity workers kliver here-park district and just low wage folks at the hall, sanitation workers and swweeper--boo hoo for you. They live in the city and make much less than you do. Z Go after better funding, lower class size and give this up.
Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:16 AMBy: New Day City Limits I think I will go live in the suburbs. Living in the city is crap.
Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 11:47 AMBy: Vote Yes to HB 4375 City Limits Legislative update:

House Bill 4375, the Chicago Teachers Residency Bill sponsored by State Rep. Marlow Colvin (D-Chicago), passed the House Executive Committee on March 5. The bill has been placed on the calendar for future consideration by the full House of Representatives. Please contact your state representative today and urge a “Yes” vote on HB 4375. Chicago teachers deserve to be treated like every other teacher in the state of Illinois.

Now is the time for us to take action. If every employee of CPS called, wrote, emailed, faxed their House Rep. that would be 60,000 demands for a YES vote. These Reps are elected officials and they know that they work for us. So make them work for us.

Go to the CTU website (ctu.net) there is a link that you can click on and automatically produce a letter for you to send.

Go to ilga.gov and you can look up the bill and follow the action, look up you rep. etc.

We have the power; we just have to use it.
Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 2:55 PMBy: Teacher for Residency City Limits "Keep the city limits requirements. All urban school districts should have it. If you're going to be teaching in an urban environment, then you as a teacher should be somewhat aware of the pressures and general urban everyday life."

Parent, I agree with you. I'm a teacher in Chicago and live in Chicago. People who grow up in and remain in the suburbs can't possibly fully understand our students.

I'm a parent and my income is my family's only income. I own my home in a reasonable neighborhood and we're not struggling. I was assisted by several of the CPS housing partners to be able to buy my place. Now I make too much money to qualify for half of the grants I received a few years ago. Perhaps we could expand those programs rather than abandoning the residency requirements.

Beyond that, I know that I stay at school much later in the day because I can drive home in 20 minutes. If I lived in Waukegan and had to drive an hour to school, I'd be the last one in and the first to leave each day - trying to avoid rush hours. I wouldn't be hanging around for family nights or organizing weekend trips with my students. If CPS had a teacher shortage then I might say we could loosen the requirement (and isn't there a waiver of the residency requirement already for hard to staff positions?). As it stands now, I'm going to send an email to my representative to vote against removing the requirement.
Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 3:28 PMBy: Rescind Rescindency City Limits There is a teacher shortage. CPS lies and says it has many applicants but they are often not certified and do not stay.

I have seen excellent teachers who did not grow up in the city and I have seen poor teachers who did grow up in the city.

Of course, being married to a city worker I have always said please make me a city worker and give me their benefits-tuition reimbursement, paid maternity leave, 20 years and age 50 for retirement and a clothing allowance. No city worker has a four year degree requirement.

Our children need the best teachers and administrators not those who have been let go from the suburbs. Milwaukee is the only city other than Chicago that has a residency requirement. We do not need a transient work force. Right now, we are a training ground
especially for special education teachers. Remember the waiver is only for three years and it can be rescinded at any time. That is not a way to build a permanent work force.

I find the people that are in favor of the residency requirement are those who quite simply do not want competition in the workforce.
Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 3:58 PMBy: Geoboard City Limits What happened to our Constitutional rights?
This isn't Orwell's 1984........... or is it?
Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 5:40 PMBy: Teacher for Residency City Limits "Our children need the best teachers and administrators not those who have been let go from the suburbs. "

Rescind Rescindency,
From this quote, it sounds like you're for residency. Two types of teachers would generally come from the burbs: Those who make crap salaries with long days in the burbs and want to make more money in the city; and those you mention who have been let go and black balled from the burbs. People don't avoid the city because of cost ... That's the lie being perpetuated. people avoid living in the city because it's the big bad city. And those people shouldn't be teaching our kids anyway.

I turned down a cushy job offer for a gifted position in Naperville to teach in the hood. Yes, I would have been appreciated and would have made a difference there, but I'm not needed there. I am needed here.

CPS has fired, what, 2,500 teachers in the last 3 years? There's no shortage of qualified teachers.
Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 6:22 PMBy: Kugler - Maybe One Day City Limits When I want to chill out sip my tea I will move out and relax.

For now it is stiil more money and exciting more than not. I even think when the hard times come that the suburbs are gonna get hit bad wit all those over priced cardboard shacks they built in the last 20 years. The tax base will shrink to zero in some burbs.

So far I think it is safer in the city as long as you do not get clicked off.

Plus more restaurants and places to go. I figure if I move to the burbs I will be coming back to the city to do things with the family while the kids are still small,
Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 8:26 PMBy: 1.04 City Limits City Limits


Chicago is an exciting place. But when you get tired of pub crawling
What is left? The attempt of old robber barons to buy there way into
heaven by endowing something or other.
As far as overpriced suburban houses are concerned check out some of the
absurd prices being asked for the new houses next to bubbly creek which
have to be bolted to the shack next door or they might fall down. Yep those
19 year old building inspectors would be a joke if it weren’t for the human
tragedy such clout can cause.
Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 9:23 PMBy: HIRE THE Best and the bRIGHTEST City Limits ...only those who live in the city should teach in the city...people who grow up in the suburbs can't possibly understand our kids...what a load of hooey

So if you are a doctor and have never experienced a heart attack
then you should not treat it?

What logic class did you take?

I think a person who grew up in Summit might understand socio-economics better than someone who grew up in Hyde Park.

Some of the least compassionate teachers I have seen are those who stepped up from poverty and now think they are so much better than the children they teach. It's the old "I have mine now you get yours!"

Our teachers from the neighborhood are late on a
daily basis and the first ones out the door. Your value system is not defined by geography.

It takes my friend who lives in the city an hour to travel from Oak Park Avenue to Stoney Island Avenue and my other friend gets to his CPS school from South Holland in fifteen minutes.
Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 9:24 PMBy: Kugler - Never Figured City Limits that one out. Especially that complex across the river from the backside of the Dominick's.

Didn't those people go there during the summer before they paid for those places??

That Smell
Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 10:35 PMBy: Vote Yes to HB 4375 City Limits Let us not forget that this is America and the bottom line is choice. I continue to live is the city because I choose to. Some people don't mind the ride etc., and should have the choice.

So, don't forget to let you legislator know that you are their constituent, helped voted them into office and you want them to vote Yes to HB 4375. Give Chicago Public School Employees a choice.
Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 12:15 AMBy: I hate Chicago, but love teaching. City Limits It doesn't matter where you are from. I am from East Chicago Heights, which is a south suburb. Ford Heights is considered a poor village. The village is plagued with gang violence, drugs, and low poverty. Cook County Sheriff police patrols the village daily. Does this qualify me to work for CPS? I am qualified considered that I am from the hood. I waited almost six months after my hire date to move into the city. When I lived in the suburbs, it took me 20 minutes to get to work. Now it takes me 30-35 minutes depending on the traffic lights. I hate living in the city and can barely afford to live in Chicago. Everything seems congested here. I feel safer in the suburbs, because I am near family. I refuse to go out after dark for safety reasons. I am a single woman who doesn't feel safe in my neighborhood. I really enjoy teaching in the city. I have grown to love my students and look forward to work everyday. I am considering leaving CPS and going to the suburbs.
Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 3:19 AMBy: George N. Schmidt City Limits "Chicago is an exciting place. But when you get tired of pub crawling, What is left? The attempt of old robber barons to buy there way into heaven by endowing something or other..." (earlier).

I'm having a real hard time understanding this discussion. Is it based on the fact that teachers who have families will find "better" schools if we all move to the suburbs? I'm sitting writing this in a house I bought more than ten years ago on a quiet block in Chicago. We've even had more and more diversity in this part of town than ever before in history (and fended off some last vestiges of local racism when an African American congregation bought the old Lutheran church on the corner here).

Anyone who has been following the classified knows that at this point in history, the amount of real estate becoming available in Chicago neighborhoods is at a high. Apartment rental costs are also coming down. And in some communities (where I know teachers who have lived there for 30 years or more), you can buy a lot of bungalow for less than $200,000.

Somehow as I read this, I hear the echo of people who look around Chicago and don't see. Anyway, let me know after you've spent a few Spring Sundays looking for places in ZIP codes 60641 or 60630 and then come back here to complain about having to live in the city.

I don't like the residency rule, by the way. But it doesn't follow that there is no place a teacher can afford to live in Chicago. That's simply not true, from the East Side out between Bowen and Washington high schools all the way up here beyond Schurz and towards Taft. What "Chicago" are you talking about? There was no rule that said teachers had the right to live within a half mile of Lake Michigan, even though many of us could afford to 40 years ago -- before urban renewal and developers pushed us out right after the poorer people were pushed back.
Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 10:39 AMBy: ms g City Limits This is one of the first times I've read a post of George's and understood it (that's on me George, not you, though your posts are usually dense and laden with info I can't begin to digest).

And I agree with him. I, too, do not necessarily support residency rule entirely, but also know you CAN buy in the city--I just did this past summer, on one income. A 2BR condo in West Rogers Park-ish, 1300 square feet, less than $170k (though dang, I wish I would have seen a bungalow for less than $200k!), and I make LESS than I would have had I stayed in teaching. I LOVE my neighborhood, my neighbors, and have no problem walking my dog at midnight.

I also think it benefits the schools to have its teachers living--and voting--in the city. I think its priceless to run into your students out and about with your own family. I liked knowing about something going on over the weekend and telling my students about it. And I REALLY think having your OWN kids attend CPS schools helps keep the system in check.

I DO think CPS should have a lot more in place to help teachers buy, and I'd be the first to support teachers getting better benefits all around--tuition breaks, flexible spending accounts for child care, etc.

Oddly, many of the teachers I know who work in the suburbs LIVE in the city--go figure!

Though, ultimately, I'm all about choice. I'd be curious to know if there would a mass exodus if the residency policy got changed (though I know plenty of peeps who use a Chicago address but in fact live in the 'burbs already).
Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 10:44 AMBy: reality check City Limits Reality check-
Most of us teach in neighborhoods we would not be safe living in especially single women.

It is easier for a teacher to have his/her children in the same school but it can be a disaster for the children.
Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 2:44 PMBy: New Day City Limits I grew up in the "hood" and have been living in Chicago my entire life. The city has many good things to offer, but I feel that I should have the choice of living anywhere I choose and still work for CPS. Many older employees live in the suburbs and Indiana, and many are originally from the city but they had the chance to leave. Why should other employees not have the same choices? Probably because Mayor Daley knows that our school enrollments would have a significant decline.
Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 3:05 PMBy: Vote Yes to HB 4375 City Limits Yes George,

There are two different conversations going on for this thread. But again, it comes down to choice. CPS employees should have the choice. If some do, than all should. And then, those who don't want to stay in the city can go. And those of us who love it....we just love it.

Remember, contact your legislator and tell him/her you want the opportunity to make a choice.
Fri Apr 4, 2008 at 3:51 PMBy: Vote YES to HB 4375 City Limits As a suburban educator, I would LOVE to work in CPS to help make a difference. However, due to this completely unjust residency requirement, I am not allowed to because I do not live in the city.

Please vote YES for HB 4375 so that Chicago schools can hire the MOST QUALIFIED educators... regardless of where they live!
Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 8:05 PMBy: Perplexed City Limits How long will it take for HB4375 to become law? I question the costitutionality of this requirement mandated by the board. If the schools receive federal funding how can they limit residency? I just find that to be discriminatory and unconstitutional, if anybody had the money to hire a hot shot lawyer to challenge this requirement it would be gone. Along with that most new teachers find that when they are ready to settle down with a family the city is entirely out of their price range. Im all for making the city better but its going to take more than requiring teachers and city workers to live in it. Crime, cost of living, runaway taxes to support nepotism, and the outpricing of average working people makes the city unrealistic at least to my decent income in a time where inflation and cost is on the rise. Someone please get rid of this requirement.
Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 8:22 PMBy: $1.5 million a year lawyer City Limits the union has $1.5 million dollar a year lawyer on staff.

email the President of the Union why she has not told him to file a suit.

marilynstewart@ctulocal1.com
Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 9:47 PMBy: Sandy City Limits How do you think the police families feel stuck in this no mans land?
Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:22 PMBy: Common Sense City Limits I agree with perplexed. Never thought of it that way but we need to get asmany people as possible to email Stewart and put pressure on the courts to lift his unconstitutional mandate. Everyone should call the Union about this along with Phone calls.

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