About

The opinions expressed in District 299: The Chicago Schools Blog are strictly those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of Catalyst Chicago or the Community Renewal Society, its publisher.

Powered by Technorati

District299: The Chicago Schools Blog
Return To Main Blog Page
Monday, March 17, 2008
Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Things may have gone awry --again -- with the magnet school notification system, according to a parent who kindly wrote in to describe the problem:

"On the CPS website, it says that letters will go out the week of March 3-7.  Parents are supposed to be making decisions by March 28 and some schools aren't even sending letters out until after spring break.  There has been nothing on the CPS website about this and most of the information has been through rumors and phone calls to the schools.  I've been told that there was such an unusual number of applicants that they are backlogged, but they received our applications in December.  So, it seems like they could have anticipated this.  I contacted Oscar Mayer and they are not even sending letters out for at least a month because they have no idea how many classrooms they'll be adding.  How, as a parent, are we supposed to make informed decisions when CPS can't follow through on their own deadlines?"

Is this a widespread problem?  Has anyone gotten letters from any of the schools?  has this ever happened before?  Fill us in.



Comments
Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:30 PMBy: Wendy Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? According to an informal survey of member parents of Northside Parents Network, a lot of parents are still waiting to hear from many of the schools. I am one who is still waiting to hear from Oscar Mayer and from Drummond. I don't know anyone who has heard from either.

A lot of letters have gone out already, but not all. March 28 is not that far away! Yikes!
Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:45 PMBy: Concerned Paret Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Ray hasn't either. It appears CPS is once again completely disorganized.
Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:53 PMBy: SED Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? what about: (a) two people receiving the same exact computerized waitlist number for the same school (b) someone receiving an acceptance to a school to which they didn't apply, (c) one family receiving the same waitlist number to 3 out of the 4 schools to which they applied, or (d) it being 10 days after the supposed mailing date and I still haven't heard from 7 schools?

These discrepencies are a joke. Arne, wtf?
Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 1:06 PMBy: me too Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Good to know it's not just me. My child got into a selective enrollment school, but it's a magnet program closer to our home and a better fit socially that we've been dying to hear from...my suggestion is to get your ass into the principal's office of the school you want FIRST THING 3/24...
Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 1:50 PMBy: anon Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Anecdotally, I've heard that magnet schools send out their acceptances first and their rejections afterward. So the assumption is that if we haven't heard from any of the magnet schools we applied to by now, our son wasn't accepted to any of them.

Also anecdotally, the parents of one of my son's friends have already received at least one magnet school acceptance and one rejection.

Alexander, I would be interested in any coverage you can dig up about the how the lottery goes for the new magnet schools which were just announced. I believe the Tribune article said that applications would be available on March 27 and would be due April 25.
Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 3:46 PMBy: Mom Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I have a friend who heard from a selective enrollment and a magnet. I have another friend who hasn't heard from a neighborhood magnet cluster. This situation is perplexing! If the slective enrollments sent out their letters and you have until March 28th to accept, but prefer the magnet and haven't heard from it, then just accept the selective enrollment spot. After you hear from the magnet, accept that spot then cancel the selective enrollment spot once confirmation IN WRITING is in your hand.
Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 4:01 PMBy: maritza Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? There's a family on my block who haven't heard anything from Kennedy, Curie and some other place. I thought that would mean no, especially since another family got a yes from Curie, but they haven't even gotten rejection letters.
Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 5:06 PMBy: this is just more of the same Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? sad to say, but this all sounds just too familiar. when my daughter plied to high schools, she did not hear from several that she applied to. several friends were offered seats at schools to which they had not applied. two acceptance letters were returned to the schools because they were addressed incorrectly. and the lady at lane tech refused to re-send it. if she wanted her acceptance letter, she had to go over there and get it.
Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 5:21 PMBy: ? for George Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I am wandering about the deal between the CPS and The New Teacher Project with the turnaround schools- is their a Board report? What is NTP providing them and at what cost.
Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 6:47 PMBy: Ray Parent Too Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Me, too. I have no idea what is up with Ray. I too applied our child to Ray and have heard zero. They have a new principal, so maybe that is the problem?

-----------

By: Concerned Paret Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Ray hasn't either. It appears CPS is once again completely disorganized.
Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 6:52 PMBy: Hate the Mail in This Town Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Don't trust the USPS either! One of my daughter's acceptance letters got lost, and I've heard many others have had the same problem. I regularly don't get things that are mailed to me, so I've gone paperless with everything I possibly can. Quite often I get other people's mail. At least I give it back to the mailman or drop it at the right address if it's close by. I think a lot of people don't bother though. CPS should start doing this electronically.
Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 8:34 PMBy: Do not hold your breath on the lotto Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? If CPS did it electronically, they would not be able to pick the PC students. There then would be a way to trace who the computer aCTUALLY PICKED and compare it to what acceptance letters really went out to the really picked student's parent/house/address. As long as the school has to send out the letter, there is much opportunity for school personell to pick and choose. The lottery is a loosing game.
Parents need to send their children to their neighborhood school and shame CPS into giving them the programs their children deserve. Some do like Kellogg and some schools just faulter and the neighborhoods surrounding them sink. Edison was a great school due to scores and the parents who produced the high scoring children--Edison, not as a neighborhood school, will do just as well.
Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 8:08 AMBy: cpsmom Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? It would be nice if a newspaper could pick this one up.
I have not heard from three schools. When I do finally get the letters, I will have not time to make the best decision.
These letters were to go out the 1st week in March not the last week in March! There should be an extension of the 28th deadline. Alexander get to work! Thanks
Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 6:28 PMBy: call the suntimes Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Roz Rossi from the SunTimes covers this process all the time. Phone or contact her. Again, as long as central office is NOT sending out the letters and then someone independant watches over that process, the list are always able to be manipulated. How do you say 'connected?'
Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:26 AMBy: Cherchez Runcie Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Scratch a mess; find another IMPACT flaw....
Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 3:34 AMBy: George N. Schmidt Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? "...Roz Rossi from the SunTimes covers this process all the time. Phone or contact her. Again, as long as central office is NOT sending out the letters and then someone independant watches over that process, the list are always able to be manipulated..."

Wishful thinking. Rossi's been a corporate propagandist for Chicago "school reform" for more than ten years. If you don't believe me, keep a log of your attempts to bring some facts to her phone. Then get back to me.

Next thing you know, you're going to tell people to call Catalyst. Laugh a minute here.

There is one newspaper in Chicago that might cover the stories here, but since we've already done a lot on IMPACT and there is a lot else on our plates, we might also take a pass. I'm in the phone book, must like Harold Washington was. Have a sense of humor, rather than self righteousness, when you finally decide to call. You're going to need it as the scales fall, one by one, from your eyes.
Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 11:19 AMBy: Kellogg comment Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Funny, 8:35, about Kellogg. Only half the neighborhood kids go to Kellogg. The other half go to the Catholic school across the street, Christ the King. The whites go there. The blacks go to Kellogg. Pretty funny way to attend a neighborhood school in Beverly.
Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 8:11 PMBy: all but burnside Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? CPS says that "all letters to all schools except Burnside have been sent out. Burnside had some technical problems that will be sorted out as soon as this week."
Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 1:10 PMBy: LDB Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I'm in the same boat... nothing yet from Wildwood, Inter-American, Mayer, Drummond or Alcott, but I am still expected to make a decision by the end of this week!

Not to mention the fact that they are now opening several new schools next fall for which applications aren't even available until Tuesday!

And CPS can't figure out why so many people in the City send their kids to private schools!?
Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 8:54 PMBy: CPS Parent? Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? ... Still waiting for Ray ... what a joke!
Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 9:52 AMBy: Beverly Resident Christ of King vs Kellogg I rather send my kid to Sutherland than Kellogg
Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 9:54 AMBy: What good Magnets schools on the Southside? Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Could someone please provide me with some good schools South of 63rd street?
Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 1:28 PMBy: It's not the US postal service... Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I just called Inter-American. They said that the letters would go out "either today or tomorrow." It would be nice to receive the letter before the deadline. This entire process does not give you a lot of confidence about the school's (or system's) ability to educate your child.
Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 1:47 PMBy: 63rd Street Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? South of 63rd street is a huge area...did you have an eastern or western boundary to go with that?
Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 3:22 PMBy: padre de familia Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? When calling Inter-American about your letter, ask about their wait-list policy. I've heard they don't have one so when positions come available in the fall, whoever ends up in them is fairly random (or not).
Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 3:52 PMBy: still waiting too Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I called Stone today and they said letters went out on the 13th. My sister on the west coast sent me a package on Friday the 14th--I received THAT on Wednesday the 19th!
Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 6:33 PMBy: CPS Mom Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? March 24th and Ray's letters are not out, they are saying today their lottery wasn't even conducted until last thursday. A joke is right. You can always call downtown to find out the result.
Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 8:41 PMBy: FrustratedMama Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? The latest I've heard is that Oscar Mayer is not only waiting a month to do their lottery, but they are also re-opening up the application process for one more month along with the other "new" magnets.

Plus, the lottery numbers from several schools (Drummond and Stone and maybe others) that people are getting directly from CPS are completely different from the numbers on the letters coming from the schools.

Something about this whole process just stinks.
Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 9:05 PMBy: DJ Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Has anybody heard anything about Suder Montessori?
Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:59 PMBy: cpsmom Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? More letters from Suder Montessori went out today 3/24.
Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:26 PMBy: To CPS Mom Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Ray's letters have been out. I know a friend who got acceptance two weeks ago. Better call the school.
Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:20 AMBy: cpsmom Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Two schools lost my daughter's applications. This is really screwed up.
Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:15 PMBy: parentfromstone Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? what i have heard from Stone

I have a child at Stone and a sibling that was accepted for next year. They had a lot of siblings this year and almost had to do a sibling lottery. All of their letters were sent out by central office and the wait list also comes from central office as well. Apparently someone is going to get a letter that says "you are number 1000 on the wait list". My child's acceptance letter arrived on March 15th.

And if anyone has questions about Stone we absolutely love it ! ! ! Its one of the few schools I know of that actually meets the diversity guidelines.
Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 1:00 PMBy: confused mom Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? HELP! I'm so lost...can anyone tell me which new schools are open for application as of today and how i apply??? Much appreciated!
Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 1:21 PMBy: cps mom Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? CPS HAS EXTENDED THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS TO APRIL 4TH
Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 1:23 PMBy: cpsmom Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? i only know the ones on the northside.

Oscar mayer, Disney ll and Lasalle language ll
Many of the Charter schools are still accepting applications.
Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 3:11 PMBy: question for the veterans Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I am wondering if, like the high school applications*, if a child's application is "dinged" if you apply to more than one magnet--like if you send an app in to countless schools, it is somehow noted that you just "want in to a decent school" and don't have a strong desire for a particular school.

*did I read or was it just a rumor that when applying for selective high schools, kids are encouraged to pick one to "prove" their desire for THAT school only?

Also, with so many applications for so few spots, and if it is computerized, why would CPS even give you several options, ie: "Your child has been accepted at Disney, Stone and LaSalle--please notify CPS of your preference by March 28th"?

Would your best bet be to focus on one school and one school only? That feels dangerous, like all your eggs in one basket...
Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 6:33 PMBy: Joey Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? If you want a straight answer go to the source of the lotteries, Academic Enhancement at C.O. instead of wasting your time fretting on this blog.
Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 7:34 PMBy: Uh, Joey Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? No one on this blog trusts CPS or the half-baked bullshit that pours from their office. And that's when you get through to someone.

When you have 100s of students vying for a few seats, there is no way CPS is--in any way, shape or form-- up front about the reality.

Same thing for the poor kids who want to take CPS up on transfering out of their underperforming schools--there aren't enough seats in the "performing" schools to accomodate all the kids who have to attend "underperforming" schools, so why offer the option at all? And didn't one of the papers cover a little girl who tried--and ended up quitting b/c the commute, along with other varibles, made it damn near impossible?

Yeah. "Straight answer". Right.
Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:06 PMBy: Duh Joey Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? There do not seem to be any straight answers with all of the changes going on. Here is an example of a straight answer for you, letters went home telling parents of Andersen their children will be going to a better school. Pritzker was named as the better school even though the scores for Pritzker's neighborhood program are lower.

Also how can they take more students when children who live in their attendance area are on a waiting list?

It is impossible to get a straight answer when the answers change every time you read or hear something that comes directly from the Board.

Where is the thoughtful plan for any of the children? The existing children in the schools as well as the families interested in the new branches of the well known and higher performing schools?

Agree with previous post, straight answer, good luck!

Also the issue of seats in underperforming vs. performing schools. Andersen is closing because of underutilization not underperformance. Scores have been on the rise, and there are many seats available. Many families given the opportunity and a bus ride would choose Andersen over their neighborhood schools.

The straight answer in the letters home should have stated that the newer residents of the neighborhood are not choosing Andersen. So now LaSalle will phase in with a lottery system causing even more limited seats for children around the city who can't afford private school and will eventually be forced to attend many lower performing nieghborhood schools.

Also while LaSalle phases in Andersen is not able to continue enrolling students in the other grades. Who can give the straight answer about how underenrolled the school will be for many years as LaSalle phases in?

Good luck to everyone in the lottery process it is terrible to have to go through all of that stress in order to get a good education for your children in the city.
Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 4:54 PMBy: I have to admit Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? ...that the office of academic enhancement DOES have it going on--I called, gave them my info, and they called me back within a few hours with where my kid is on each of the wait lists. Yeah, she's on three wait lists, but at least I know!
Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 5:02 PMBy: Me Too Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I've had to call the Office of Academic Enhancement a few times over the last couple of years, and they could not have been nicer or more helpful.
Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 5:18 PMBy: waitlisted parent Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? To Me Too:

Who did you talk to to find out where your child is on the Academic Enhancement lists. They will not give me that information at all. My kid was accepted to one school but we would prefer those closer to home.
Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 5:36 PMBy: Me Too Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I don't know. I talked to whoever answered the phone. This was in regards to selective enrollment.
Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 6:52 PMBy: another question Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? If you accept a seat somewhere--selective or magnet for that matter--does your child's name automatically come off everyone's list? I too had my child accepted at one school (a classical school), but would much prefer the closer magnet. Does anyone know?

(and to waitlisted parent--I too just talked to whoever answered the phone--I missed her name--but again, nice as pie...)
Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 8:42 PMBy: Parent Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? It seems only those accepted at Ray have heard ... no one else has, e.g., those on the wait-list. I blame the bull shit principal.
Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:30 PMBy: I wish someone would answer... Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? someone above who blogged earlier about HS selective enrollment not picking a child because the particular school wasn't the number one choice. So if you rank three schools in the order of your preference FOR WHATEVER reason, even if your child scores extremly high but not high enough for your first choice, then your child won't be selected (even if children with lower scores are admitted because that parent selected the school as their number one choice) for the second choice school because that school will be insulted that you didn't pick them first..
Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:07 AMBy: Mom Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I've had to call the office of academic enhancement several times through the process this year, they have been extremely helpful and responsive and I had magnets and selective enrollments on my list. They were able to give me the wait list numbers for the magnets right on the spot. I called the number on the website and talked to the person who answered everytime.
Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 6:04 PMBy: Stella Mess-up I have heard that you can accept a magnet school position and you will NOT be knocked off other waiting lists. Is this true? And how can Inter-American or any school simply ignore the waiting list? I thought what went down at Sabin was creating more oversight in this process.
Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 6:15 PMBy: to: I wish someone would answer... Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I don't think that's true.
Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 7:46 PMBy: Mess-up Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? If you accept a magnet school position ... you will be knocked-off any other waiting list. IT IS TRUE.
Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 9:08 PMBy: wait lists are meaningless Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I can only speak for my school, but we draw more students than we can accomodate knowing that they won't all accept. This makes the idea of a waitinglist meaningless. We have never taken anyone off of ours in the years I have been involved in the process. Also, we were told that students can select one change from their neighborhood high school. Once we change the placement of students we have been told not to change it again. Therefore, once you choose it is supposed to stick. I am sure people will break the rules, but that is what we were told. So, in theory, if you accept a spot in your 3rd choice school and then get into your 1st choice, your 3rd choice school does not have to let you go.
Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 9:51 PMBy: I don't understand... Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? You know the neighborhood magnets? The ones that first have to take neighborhood kids, then kids who apply? What happens if they get all, what, 31 kids for, say, 4th grade, in April for the next year--some neighborhood, some "lotteried in"...what happens if several 4th graders move into their attendance area over the summer--how to they accommodate those kids?

And I know that Blaine, it has a shelter in its boundaries--it has to take those kids, who are extremely transient...how do they accomodate for the flux?

I swear, I have gone from wanting the best of the best to thinking screw it and sending my kid to her half-assed neighborhood school--I'll come up with my own enrichment activities for her and travel whenever we can, she'll kick ass in regular school, graduate top of her class, and have a nice in to a selective high school...I'm serious!
Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:00 PMBy: to - I don't understand Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Check out the 7th and 8th grade programs too (academic centers and such) for down the road. They're well worth it.
Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:41 PMBy: To I don't understand Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I hope her "halF-assed" neighborhood school gets her in a selective enrollment school. CPS has a report on line to show where neighborhood schools send their 8th graders. How many students from your neighborhood school get in selective enrollment schools? Go to the CPS home page. then on the right side--test scores and more; click school & citywide reports; then type the school on school profile; click the name of the school then
Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:43 PMBy: Part 2 to I don't understand Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I got cut off. Click the "other" tab and then scroll down to Highschool enrollment chart. Then you will be better able to determine your chances.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 12:09 AMBy: to-Part 2 Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? Thanks. It seems to data from the graduating classes of 3 years ago, but that's okay. It's cool you navigated and found it.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 12:24 AMBy: Went to Young 30 years age Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I definitely feel the pain. I went to Whitney Young 30 years ago (excuse the typo in the name) and my letter of notification was lost way back then. Same crap, different day. But you are talking about the same organization who bought Impact and People Soft. Has the payroll been corrected yet. What about those sick days? Does everything they touch turn to crap?
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 9:52 AMBy: Check this out Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I was "I don't understand" up above (and I still want to know how fluid enrollment numbers are, and how schools deal with that...) BUT I took the advice of the people above and checked out if my neighborhood school sent kids to selective high schools.

Yes, in fact, it does. Although, yes, data is from the 05-06 school year.

Ironically, my neighborhood school sent TEN (yes, 10) kids to Northside College Prep, while the magnet we applied to sent TWO. The magnet is half the size, and they also sent a few to Lincoln Park and Jones while the neighborhood school didn't, but still--INTERESTING...

They sent similar numbers to Lane and Northtown. The neighborhood school sent a LOT more to the local high school, but dribs and drabs going all over the city from both schools.
But then, horrifyingly, I poke around in the ISAT reports. I'm not a big fan of testing, but it's data to look at...

My neighborhood school, for the grade my kid would be in, had 16% and 18% exceeding standards in reading and math, respectively.

The magnet had 45% and 52% exceeding standards in reading and math, respectively.

WHAT?? Is it just me, or does this seem COMPLETELY OFF??

HOW, if the magnet kids seem to be doing so much better ISAT-wise, isn't there a significant difference in the number going on to selective enrollment high schools??

What am I not getting here??
Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:09 AMBy: Applications vs Acceptances Another CPS Magnet Mess-Up? I don't think you can get a complete picture unless you know the number/percentages of 8th graders that applied to those schools.

top
Add Your Comment



Comment:
Just so we know you're a human and not a spammer, please answer the following question: + =